BRZ vs FRS - The Debate

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Shifting mid corner throws the balance of the car, so shouldn't be something you're doing (if driving competently). So, "losing steering feel" due to having a manual is not a thing.

i know that. there are also times when you are coming out of a third gear corner directly in a second gear corner and unless you have three hands, things get really tricky and you are forced to make a compromise somewhere.

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i know that. there are also times when you are coming out of a third gear corner directly in a second gear corner and unless you have three hands, things get really tricky and you are forced to make a compromise somewhere.

If corners are taking you by surprise, you'll do well to work on looking farther ahead. If the corner you're on is blind and you can't see ahead, then unless you have the road memorized you should be taking the corner slowly enough to gracefully master anything that might be around it.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by einzlr

If corners are taking you by surprise, you'll do well to work on looking farther ahead. If the corner you're on is blind and you can't see ahead, then unless you have the road memorized you should be taking the corner slowly enough to gracefully master anything that might be around it.

im not talking about being taken by surprise. im talking about coming out of a corner and immediately going into another that requires another gear. you are forced to either take both turns in the same gear which is a compromise or try to shift between the turns which is rather difficult. these arent things i experience on the street but rather the track.

[#87]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

"Creature comforts" really do degrade the performance/driving of the car

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

Please point out where HID's or a nav unit degrade the performance of the car. A little extra weight from heated front seats I can see, but if the nav unit and HID's equal a similar weight in the FR-S, it doesn't.

FRS to BRZ premium is 4lbs difference

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i know that. there are also times when you are coming out of a third gear corner directly in a second gear corner and unless you have three hands, things get really tricky and you are forced to make a compromise somewhere.

Out of one corner before another corner sounds like a straight. Also, sounds fun

[slowbrz]

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

Yeah, a fun car to drive that is also quite practical. Which is a huge draw for those of us that can't rationalize actually buying a sports car and have always relegated ourselves to driving boring vehicles previously. :p And the aggressive/fun part you mentioned can still happen with an automatic. That's more to do with the driver after all.

my corolla is more practical than my brz. manuals are practical. dont mistaken practical for convenience.

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Out of one corner before another corner sounds like a straight. Also, sounds fun

Haha I assumed he was talking about back-to-back corners. He said this is at the track so it would be something like a sweeper followed by a hairpin.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by einzlr

Haha I assumed he was talking about back-to-back corners. He said this is at the track so it would be something like a sweeper followed by a hairpin.

i was.

[Zadkiel]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im not talking about being taken by surprise. im talking about coming out of a corner and immediately going into another that requires another gear. you are forced to either take both turns in the same gear which is a compromise or try to shift between the turns which is rather difficult. these arent things i experience on the street but rather the track.

You can keep one hand on the wheel right? Even so, if you know you have to be in second gear for the second corner, shouldn't you downshift to that in the 3rd gear corner? If you're that high in 3rd gear, wouldn't the extra torque be beneficial when exiting the 2nd corner? I just find the situation hard to understand when it seems simple enough for a MT.

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

You can keep one hand on the wheel right? Even so, if you know you have to be in second gear for the second corner, shouldn't you downshift to that in the 3rd gear corner? If you're that high in 3rd gear, wouldn't the extra torque be beneficial when exiting the 2nd corner? I just find the situation hard to understand when it seems simple enough for a MT.

He's right; the situation he describes is undeniably easier to negotiate with AT than with MT - assuming, of course, that the AT shifts the way you want it to. That said, I personally would still prefer MT because "more fun" trumps "easier", and for me MT is more fun. But seriously, to each his own. Trying to establish which is "better" on an absolute basis is futile.

[Supermassive]

The way I see it is that between the twins the BRZ is targeting a slightly older crowd, one that will likely do little to no modifications to the car. Not saying no one will mod the BRZ but the added features are all things that people who mod cars generally replace anyways.

I bought an FR-S with the intention of modding it beyond a fart can exhaust and a silly intake. I knew the seats would eventually be upgraded to Sparcos or Brides where heaters arent really gonna work. I do my own stereo installs so the HU was gonna go anyways...etc. etc. The only thing the BRZ has that I want is the damn headlights, other than that the price for it was also a huge turnoff. Oh yeah, nice mooostache by the way

[Zadkiel]

Originally Posted by Supermassive

The way I see it is that between the twins the BRZ is targeting a slightly older crowd, one that will likely do little to no modifications to the car. Not saying no one will mod the BRZ but the added features are all things that people who mod cars generally replace anyways.

I bought an FR-S with the intention of modding it beyond a fart can exhaust and a silly intake. I knew the seats would eventually be upgraded to Sparcos or Brides where heaters arent really gonna work. I do my own stereo installs so the HU was gonna go anyways...etc. etc. The only thing the BRZ has that I want is the damn headlights, other than that the price for it was also a huge turnoff. Oh yeah, nice mooostache by the way

You guys realize that you have the same thing on your car right? It's just half covered by some bodywork and the grill. If you look right into the grill, just where it starts from the nose, you have the same plastic piece.

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

You guys realize that you have the same thing on your car right? It's just half covered by some bodywork and the grill. If you look right into the grill, just where it starts from the nose, you have the same plastic piece.

Yeah...but the FR-S doesnt have a moustache...

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im not talking about being taken by surprise. im talking about coming out of a corner and immediately going into another that requires another gear. you are forced to either take both turns in the same gear which is a compromise or try to shift between the turns which is rather difficult. these arent things i experience on the street but rather the track.

This would matter if you bought a car that was fast, so you needed to be in the correct gear to take the corner at optimal speed. But, the BRZ/FRS is slow, and the sporty nature of the car is the driving experience. Balancing three pedals, a steering wheel, and the shifter is exactly what the car is all about.