First Spy Pics of Scion FR-S / Toyota FT-86 Production Test Mule! (Updated 5/17)

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

lolwut....

No really.....


what?

I've never owned a hatch. Am I missing something awesome about them?

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by Franisco

Well, haven't they confirmed the Scion US version is called the FR-S? If they have, then they're not going to use the 86 badges..

I think the 86 patent was Euro only, so it is likely that the badge won't make it to the FR-S.

[blur]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

1) I say it's not a Subaru due to the fact that Subaru still hasn't shown off any exterior of their car except for the Subaru concept at Geneva which was the clear skeleton only.
2) In addition this looks very similar/has many similar features to the Mk2 FT-86 concept.
3) The license plate registered in Germany matches other Toyota test mules.
4) Hachi labeled the thread as Toyota/Scion so I trust his judgment.

1) "In the end the Subaru version and Toyota version will look very similar." lol
2) again "In the end the Subaru version and Toyota version will look very similar. "
3) I believe this was proved to be meaningless, Ill try and find the quote...
4) Well as much as I do too we cant be certain

Anything else?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by blur

1) "In the end the Subaru version and Toyota version will look very similar." lol

So I take it you believe the Subaru and Toyota version will look vastly different? I personally don't think that will happen but I could be proven wrong when the production models are released. It will be fun to look back here in 5-6 months once we have more facts. But I just don't see how/why Subaru and Toyota would design two vastly different exteriors on a budget sports car. The economics of it just don't work out for me. A few minor differences with headlights, taillights, fog lights, vents here or there could be different. But I personally think the overall of the car will be the same. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

[iff2mastamatt]

Can anyone see the tires? I think they're Michelin...

[Ryephile]

Has anyone figured out how the taillights are split so the trunk/hatch is even able to open?

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Has anyone figured out how the taillights are split so the trunk/hatch is even able to open?

I'm not sure if the taillights are really split? The trunk when opened will move back towards you a little and up while clearing the taillights.

[blur]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

So I take it you believe the Subaru and Toyota version will look vastly different? I personally don't think that will happen but I could be proven wrong when the production models are released. It will be fun to look back here in 5-6 months once we have more facts. But I just don't see how/why Subaru and Toyota would design two vastly different exteriors on a budget sports car. The economics of it just don't work out for me. A few minor differences with headlights, taillights, fog lights, vents here or there could be different. But I personally think the overall of the car will be the same. Guess we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

Thats what I meant, lol. The Subaru version is bound to be similar to the MK1 or MK2 so its useless assuming that since it looks like MK2 it must be a Toyota.

[fernan2]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I'm not sure if the taillights are really split? The trunk when opened will move back towards you a little and up while clearing the taillights.

there is no way this car is a hatch back!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fernan2

there is no way this car is a hatch back!

If you think of a traditional 3/5 door hatch then no. But if you think more along the lines of a liftback it could. Hard to tell with all the camo on the car.

There were some good points made by matador and want.fr-s:

Originally Posted by Want.FR-S

I concur with Matador about the frameless hatch. The VW New Beetle has a hatch and it is not framed from the outside. If you look closely on the rear window, you see that black area enclosing the window. That could mean that black area is hiding the frame inside the hatch, and the hinge will just lie within that area. This is similar to the one found in New Beetle.

Then you may say there is no enough gap between the window and the c pillar. For that, they can achieve it simply by taping over the gaps to hide that detail. In fact, if you look at the top portion of the rear window, you see a bit of camo in actually on the window itself. And there seems to be a gap on that side as well so that they need to tape it over to hide it.

As to the red circle, it MkII the trunk line and window are not flush, and that is not a good sign for a hatch door. However, that little gap can be used to direct rain water to the side if designed properly so that is not a definitive evidence.

By now you should see that I am all for the hatch, as Allch_Chcar said that if that is a coupe, the large rear window is just a waste of space.

Just a side note. No one actually points out that the rear trunk (hatch?) door is different from the Mk II. It is actually close to the FR-S (Mk III) in turns of the design. I would see this as a mixture of Mk II and Mk III, but fundamentally this is the same car from Mk I with little changes on the chassis. No need to fuss and get angry because this is still the same car with some minor changes...

:happy0180:

Edit: actually if you look at the right side of the rear window (opposite side of the green circle), you can see a gap between the window and the chassis, and the camo tape that tapes over the sheet metal but not the window. That finding further suggests that this is a fastback rather than a trunk...

This might not be the best example but the Opel Insignia is a liftback car and the rear window/trunk section looks somewhat similar to this camo car.






Edit: so you might have something like this where the whole "trunk door" goes with the glass

[fernan2]

just for the record, im starting to like this car! even with all that camo!

[fernan2]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

If you think of a traditional 3/5 door hatch then no. But if you think more along the lines of a liftback it could. Hard to tell with all the camo on the car.

There were some good points made by matador and want.fr-s:




This might not be the best example but the Opel Insignia is a liftback car and the rear window/trunk section looks somewhat similar to this camo car.

yes but the rear wipper almost gives it away, but there is no rear wipper on the toyota! i know that's not mandatory but almost all hatch have one.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fernan2

yes but the rear wipper almost gives it away, but there is no rear wipper on the toyota! i know that's not mandatory but almost all hatch have one.

The Opel Insignia concept didn't have a rear wiper either. That can always be added on later if they design goes into production. If they did that now, it would be obvious it was a hatch. Maybe they want to keep that a secret until a later date.





This is one reason I would prefer a hatch:



Much easier to get spare race wheels in and out.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fernan2

yes but the rear wipper almost gives it away, but there is no rear wipper on the toyota! i know that's not mandatory but almost all hatch have one.

Actually now that I think about it the Scion tC doesn't have a rear wiper





So it is possible they skip a wiper (I hope they don't).