New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Agreed, and it should have been that way from the beginning. Help with the infrastructure makes sense, but help with the car purchase did not, IMO.

I think you nailed it with the EV option being the match for the fully decked out upper tier option package of a similar car, at least in the short run. That's really what the Bolt and the Equinox is in relationship to it's ICE counterparts.

Of course I would have taken the incentive if it were available when I purchased my LYRIQ. It didn't qualify at the time, but GM did cover it with a $7,500 "GM Promise" credit, and an additional $5K off for them delaying my car from 2023 MY to 2024 so I got the benefit without taxpayers having to assist.

I will say, I would have had a harder time justifying a used EV for our town runabout without the $4k used credit. Arguably they would have to have been cheaper to begin with so

I do agree with you on principle, but sometimes the dirty way is what works.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Imo the ev market will develop based on merit and maybe pricing given the high price of well equipped ice vehicles. Obviously the government incentives are gone and the climate change religion is beginning to crumble but many i talk to are interested in them, especially if battery range improves.

Climate change is not a religion. Religion is based on faith of a worldview that cannot be disproven. You can theoretically disprove climate change if it were indeed not true.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Agreed, and it should have been that way from the beginning. Help with the infrastructure makes sense, but help with the car purchase did not, IMO.

I think you nailed it with the EV option being the match for the fully decked out upper tier option package of a similar car, at least in the short run. That's really what the Bolt and the Equinox is in relationship to it's ICE counterparts.

Of course I would have taken the incentive if it were available when I purchased my LYRIQ. It didn't qualify at the time, but GM did cover it with a $7,500 "GM Promise" credit, and an additional $5K off for them delaying my car from 2023 MY to 2024 so I got the benefit without taxpayers having to assist.

You did well with your purchase. All the vehicles I would consider buying at this point are godawful expensive and I wouldn’t be surprised to see manufacturers price evs aggressively enough to improve demand that they actually become a better value than their ice offerings. I also believe that legacy manufacturers will gain the upper hand in the ev market (along with tesla) as late comers go out of business. Lucid recently did a major reverse split, probably to to dilute some more and that's never a good sign imo.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Climate change is not a religion. Religion is based on faith of a worldview that cannot be disproven. You can theoretically disprove climate change if it were indeed not true.

I believe in Climate change. Where i live it changes 4x a year. Otherwise it's pantheism.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I believe in Climate change. Where i live it changes 4x a year. Otherwise it's pantheism.

You live in south Florida. You only get 3 seasons. Warm -> Hell -> Where'd my house go?

[new2subaru]

I'm looking forward to when the Canadian Government opens the door to Chinese EV's

That'll bring prices down to earth.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Spuds

You live in south Florida. You only get 3 seasons. Warm -> Hell -> Where'd my house go?

I was supposed to be under water by now. I guess volunteering to paddle gretas flotilla was unnecessary?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

I was supposed to be under water by now. I guess volunteering to paddle gretas flotilla was unnecessary?

https://sealevel.nasa.gov/ipcc-ar6-s...%20Very%20High

Here is NASA's sea level prediction map. You can certainly try to prove it wrong if you want. You just have to take a data "snapshot" of what they expect a few decades out for one of the points near you, then wait until that time comes along and go measure average sea level at that precise point for a year, then compare it to current (2025) data. You can get practice taking your own current data now if you don't trust the historical records. Heck, just keep the measurements going for 20 years or so.

If that sounds like a lot of work, you are right. That is why we pay the most qualified people (experts) to take measurements and analyze the data for us. They develop models based on what they have observed, then use those and further observations to develop better models.

Most of what activists do is unnecessary for an educated and engaged populace. That latter part is what they take issue with. It seems to be working considering it has prompted a conversation.

[Lantanafrs2]

But it's actually gotten cooler?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

But it's actually gotten cooler?

I'm assuming you mean less hot in your case . That is typical Northern Hemisphere behavior in November, yes. I predict it will be getting warmer in April.