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11-04-2022, 04:20 AM | #1 |
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GR86 vs Tuned GT86 vs Porsche 944
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Conclusions seem reasonable, but they didn't take into account depreciation of the 2014. No, it's still not worth it to buy older and build to chase the new one. But if you already have one, it swings the math just a bit.
I'm having a hard time believing the Dyno claim though lol.
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I love my Gen1 I have it just how I want it but damn saw a blue Gen2 with proper wheels and slight drop on the freeway yesterday and man it was a beautiful car.
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My curiosity is similar to this comparison, but I'm looking at it from the standpoint of FI cars that have been built well. If you can buy a say a 2105/2016 or up first gen FRS/BRZ with decent mileage, professional FI hardware and tune, and supporting mods for under 30K (there are a couple on the classifieds now), is it a better option?
Styling may be the deciding factor alone for some, but honestly I still like the 1st gen styling as much or more. I'm probably in the minority, but the only angle I really like the 2nd gen significantly better is rear 3/4 view.. Of course the question will always be in the back of my mind, will the engine blow-up or will there be serious drivability issues that you will have to deal with? I don't know, I just know I'm torn for one.. |
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After test driving the 2nd gen, I liked the extra power, but the looks and the steering feel weren’t as good as the first gen IMO. So I got a header with a custom dyno tune installed on my first gen and couldn’t be happier. https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...9&postcount=34 Last edited by Dirty Harry; 12-28-2022 at 08:26 PM. |
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And with the Edelbrock's CARB exemption may be easier to work with the emissions regs than a header, oddly enough.. And yeah, it seems like it takes FI to make a Gen1 hang with a Gen 2 acceleration wise.. |
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The videos aren’t too representative.tbh The Gen1 driver appears to have started in the wrong gear on the first roll. He easily walked away on the 2nd short pull. The next video is of a Vortec SC car with a wide body and big heavy hot boy wheels which slow it a lot. What I’m getting at is the difference acceleration wise from a typical FI Gen1 to a stock Gen2 is similar to the difference of a stock Gen2 to Gen1. The fact that there are Gen2s in the 230whp+ range on 91/93 and FBO is what is impressive!
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Whaaat? 30gran only for TRD parts?! I understand the idea in getting "factory tuning parts", but actually 30k?
Thats pretty much the full cost of my LS swap made in Germany (where it's mich mure expensive to this). The cars Im competing with are not 89' Porsche 944's, they are Porsche 911 992's. Also interesting: a Gen1 was brand new, fully loaded about 32k USD, maybe 36k for some Special Editions. Thats not too far from the named US price back in the day. The Gen2, thats what I learned in the video, is at 34k USD in the US. But current price range arround here in Germany is arround 45k USD. A week ago I was talking to a guy who had an offer as high as 50k USD. A reasonable gen1 as basis can be bought for arround 20k. Depending on what youre planing a rod nocked one can be bought for arround 12k. There is quite a bit of fun you can do to a Gen1 for a 25-30k budget.... Sure, the video is aiming the US market, I understand. But also there I think it's quiet possible to upgrade a reasonable used gen1 using the budget differnce to gen2 in a way, that it easily outperforms the factory Gen2. Though, in Europe the situation is even clearer concerning that math. For that Last vid, sorry, I cannot believe much of that. Even If the Gen2 is ridiculous high in factory power tolerance: If the Gen1, which with added compressor is arround the same weight as a factory Gen2, is having actually 320whp, it would totally smoke the factory Gen2. I drove against turboed gen1, SC Gen1 and factory Gen2 with my LS swapped Gen1. The Gen2 clearly was the car to be controlled the easiest. If we are talking about a Gen1 with only a simple Vortex bolt on, making 280 flywheel hp, this slight advantage as seen in the video is plausible. But the Story that this Gen2 raced a 320whp FI Gen1 that close is just a ferry tale in my bock. Though, the factory power of the Gen2 is quiet good and a big improvement over factory gen1, no question about that. But this beeing said, this comparison is a bit laggy in my eyes, since it's a comparison to one of the most disapointing engines in a sportscar of the last decade. With other words I would consider the FA24 simply an engine which performs as expected.
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