oversteer and understeer

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by orc

Hi guys:

Have you seen

It's dated but, IMHO, is still essential viewing.

[EndlessAzure]

Sim racing games help a lot if you can combine with seat time

[wheelspeed]

OP- Always great to absorb whatever you can! Kudos that you are interested.

Just keep an eye out for a place to practice what you've seen on the video. Maybe an empty parking lot, or a cheap auto-x event or a safe on-ramp to a highway, etc. The point I'm making is that in an unplanned, surprise situation, you won't have time to think and will want to have your instincts take over and that requires some practice.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Many... Many, many, many people are literally incapable of even asking the question, much less being able to develop a working mental model to fit the experience. I have with great sadness come to accept that as a simple fact of life.

[Kona61]

If you truly want to learn how to track a car, I have to 100% recommend a sim with a half decent rig and wheel. I learned to drift exclusively in sims and I can throw down pretty decently in real life.

It's unlimited seat time with no financial burden, time expenditure besides sitting there, or most importantly, risk. You can screw up endlessly and it won't do anything besides teach you what not to do.

[Interceptor777]

Originally Posted by Kona61

If you truly want to learn how to track a car, I have to 100% recommend a sim with a half decent rig and wheel. I learned to drift exclusively in sims and I can throw down pretty decently in real life.

It's unlimited seat time with no financial burden, time expenditure besides sitting there, or most importantly, risk. You can screw up endlessly and it won't do anything besides teach you what not to do.

I concur, I learned how to drift in the sim and it saved me a lot of beginner crashes when I tried doing it in real life. I also learned how to fly racing drones this way.

Just make sure you don't play Forza or something... Stick to well known simulators like Assetto Corsa (best for drifting/other driving besides circuit racing) or others like iRacing etc..

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by Interceptor777

I concur, I learned how to drift in the sim and it saved me a lot of beginner crashes when I tried doing it in real life. I also learned how to fly racing drones this way.

Just make sure you don't play Forza or something... Stick to well known simulators like Assetto Corsa (best for drifting/other driving besides circuit racing) or others like iRacing etc..

Yep, I use Assetto Corsa.

Honestly any wheel is fine too. Anything above a G27 will give you 60-80% of the "feel" of a real car IMO. All depends on setup as well. Running a custom LUT and good monitor make it a very viable option.

[PhatFreshPrince]

I like the videos. Now I know how to how to do better at Gran Turismo, but my drive to work is still this.

[wheelspeed]

Originally Posted by PhatFreshPrince

I like the videos. Now I know how to how to do better at Gran Turismo, but my drive to work is still this.

Ha ha, yep, my drive is different but similarly annoying. I have a 4.5 mile drive to work, with only a 1.7 mile section of nice curvy road. But I'm almost always behind some soccer-mom in an SUV or a contractor.

Good lord, contractors drive slow! Their boss must see them at the office, and then the customer hovers during the job, so maybe the drive to the customer is the only free time they get but good god they seem to drive slow. I mean plumbers, electricians, lawn-mowing services... they all drive ridiculously slow even for a van/pickup.

[TommyW]

I found in the sim you’re using only sight for dealing with understeer, oversteer and drifting so it’s kind of deficit training for when you’re on the track and when you have butt feedback it’s easier.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by TommyW

I found in the sim you’re using only sight for dealing with understeer, oversteer and drifting so it’s kind of deficit training for when you’re on the track and when you have butt feedback it’s easier.

Have you tried "butt kicker" in iRacing?
Not a full substitute, of course, but communicates some stuff.

[trippinbillies40]

I have a buttkicker and feel it only adds some "pizazz" for when my friends try my sim. Real game changer was going to a nice direct drive base and 8020 rig. FFB communication is so much better now.

I'll agree that you lose your butt dyno when learning on a sim, but I'll also note that two of the fastest alien drivers I know that went pro started on sim racing and largely credit that for why they're good.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

I'll agree that you lose your butt dyno when learning on a sim, but I'll also note that two of the fastest alien drivers I know that went pro started on sim racing and largely credit that for why they're good.

I want to add that not having the proper butt feel helps you learn other senses more.
It's like blind people are better at hearing than people who see well, and don't rely on hearing as much during their daily life.

When you then get into a real car and get a new channel with useful information, that extra information makes you even faster (after some practice, perhaps).
That's anyways better than not having any prior experience at all, and getting overwhelmed by all the information at the same time, while paying your hard earned money for any mistake.

[Ktse]

Originally Posted by TommyW

I found in the sim you’re using only sight for dealing with understeer, oversteer and drifting so it’s kind of deficit training for when you’re on the track and when you have butt feedback it’s easier.

I'll echo what has been stated before. I learned to drift in Assetto Corsa, then purchased my BRZ and found that most of the skills translated over. I have to agree with you on the butt feedback. It's alot easier to feel the car oversteering and understeering in real life than a sim since I can only rely on wheel feedback and visuals in a sim.

For oversteer and understeer practice in real life, I usually just go to an empty parking lot after fresh snowfall and go to town. It's pretty easy to get the tail out at slow speeds and the risks are pretty low.

The other practice I have done was a rainy open track day. That's higher risk though as the speeds are higher and there are other drivers. But I definitely learned a lot more about car control beyond doing donuts in the parking lot.