Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[Lantanafrs2]

You can always cook it a little longer

[cjd]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Discussing the potential roll of livestock/meat production on pandemics: Laughable
Considering reducing meat consumption to reduce/prevent future pandemics: Against

So you shut down over the inconvenience of even thinking about reducing or eliminating meat from your diet? Whether or not the evidence supports it or not? I get not liking it... But being against considering it? Every possibility needs consideration, especially when on survival is on the line.

I doubt it'll be a thing to worry about in the next few decades, and expect climate change to be the bigger driver as viable crops change and livestock becomes easier or harder to depend on... Or maybe lab grown? Who knows. We'll find ourselves without coffee first.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

How is that letting it go if you commented? lol

I just figured I was way off based before, considering the response, and religious conjecture is what everyone here is down for. No? If we are going to keep it up then I am down to contribute too.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

I’m sure he’s fun at parties 🤣

[soundman98]

Is this a party?

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by soundman98

Is this a party?

If it is, it is probably the "We all like the FRS/GT86/BRZ but can't agree on anything else" party.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Spuds

If it is, it is probably the "We all like the FRS/GT86/BRZ but can't agree on anything else" party.

Let me play you to song of my people and introduce you to my conflicting life as a moderate.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

You could say the biggest source of new diseases comes from animal to human transmission (and vice versa). However, a pandemic is directly caused by human travel in cases like covid-19. Additionally, animals used as food are not the only source of new diseases. As such, it seems that reducing global travel and urban living are probably more effective means of reducing the spread of disease in general.

That is a reactive approach, unless you are for Surrogates-like approach, which would be a proactive approach?



Humans could give viruses to animals, but animals live in far worse conditions than many humans like I described before, so it is far more likely they are giving us something bad, or if we are giving them something bad then it will be a pandemic for them and/or a pandemic that comes back to us. If you put 10,000 people in a gymnasium with dead people around them, with poor air circulation, with sick people around them, with them standing in their own feces and urine, feeding them a poor diet that festers bad bacteria and health, feeding them poor water that is likely contaminated, feeding them antibiotics that kills their natural gut bacteria, etc then you are creating a recipe for disaster. At the very least, we should end factory farming, but that means less profits for the companies and greater costs to the consumer, which means less meat on everyone's tables, so that is a hard proposition for most to consider.

Animals used as food aren't the only source of new diseases, but are they the most likely to be fatal or cause pandemics? Many anthroponotic diseases we have vaccines for, or they are endemic and cause small epidemics. Zoonotic diseases seem to be novel for us, so there is no herd immunity or partial immunity, which allows them to spread. What we have seen in western countries that don't have to deal with bacteria and viruses that stem from poor water and sanitation and that have access to vaccines is the prevalence of emerging zoonotic diseases, which not only cause disease, but also cause death like these modern pandemics: swine and avian flu, ebola, HIV, SARS, etc. We could have people spread out more and avoid each other, but we have seen with COVID that living in a rural area doesn't prevent people from getting hit with the disease, so I don't know how well your plan would work. Logically, considering the former paragraph and analogy, improving the living conditions for the livestock would be a better place to start.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Is this a thing? Sorry, it has been a long time since Sunday school.

It all makes sense to me now.

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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

You can always cook it a little longer

Just for clarification, cooking meat won't prevent diseases from spreading before it was killed and cooked. Also, cooking spoiled or infected food more is not always a protection from disease. For instance, some bacteria will produce toxins in the food, so even if you cook the food more, you may kill the bacteria, but the toxins will still be there, which will make you sick.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by cjd

So you shut down over the inconvenience of even thinking about reducing or eliminating meat from your diet? Whether or not the evidence supports it or not? I get not liking it... But being against considering it? Every possibility needs consideration, especially when on survival is on the line.

I doubt it'll be a thing to worry about in the next few decades, and expect climate change to be the bigger driver as viable crops change and livestock becomes easier or harder to depend on... Or maybe lab grown? Who knows. We'll find ourselves without coffee first.

I don't shut down over the issue because I don't eat meat. I eat a plant-based diet. Maybe it wasn't clear, but I was parroting everyone else.

I agree that climate change will be one of the factors that drives a change to a plant-based diet for more people.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

It was pretty simple. You said you weren't going to comment on the past, but then you commented on the past.

I then said that in light of the fact that I was scolded for criticizing the guy who brought up religion and you on your religious lesson to the guy, and in light of the fact that we are still bringing up religion, I figured I would have a go at giving a religious lesson too, since that seems to be a well received thing here. I figured a little religious conjecture was just good conversation. No?

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by TommyW

I’m sure he’s fun at parties 🤣

Vegan parties. I bring the celery and the carnivore jokes. It is a real hoot.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Let me play you to song of my people and introduce you to my conflicting life as a moderate.

Hey, that sounds familiar!

Edit:. On further thought, it must definitely be a Weird Al song...