Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

It takes awhile don't worry.. it's literally changing your DNA. It's a process. One we probably won't know the real consequences of for years.

https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-techn...rna-technology

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i'm ok with this as long as i get to pick the super power the change causes.

i'm split between a third arm growing out of my stomach, and being able to fly.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i'm ok with this as long as i get to pick the super power the change causes.



i'm split between a third arm growing out of my stomach, and being able to fly.

If the choice was mine, which superpower, I would be all about it.

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

mRNA is neither RNA or DNA actually it copies the DNA but if the vaccine was only making exact copies than it would be pointless so tell me again how nothing gets altered?

https://www.technologynetworks.com/g...and-rna-296719

This article is a fairly accessible overview. I didn't find anything I know to be inaccurate.


I suggest reading again carefully. RNA is a superset of functionally different types, one of which is mRNA. RNA does not copy DNA. DNA produces RNA which then go on to make/do all kinds of things. In that sense, again functionally, it does not create or alter DNA. This article explains how you have your cause>effect in reverse.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

This article is a fairly accessible overview. I didn't find anything I know to be inaccurate.


I suggest reading again carefully. RNA is a superset of functionally different types, one of which is mRNA. RNA does not copy DNA. DNA produces RNA which then go on to make/do all kinds of things. In that sense, again functionally, it does not create or alter DNA. This article explains how you have your cause>effect in reverse.

RNA doesn't, mRNA does. How else do you suppose they get your body to produce proteins?

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i'm ok with this as long as i get to pick the super power the change causes.

i'm split between a third arm growing out of my stomach, and being able to fly.

Shit. That is a tough choice. All those times I need to hold a flashlight...

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

RNA doesn't, mRNA does. How else do you suppose they get your body to produce proteins?

Show me in that article where it says mRNA plays any role in DNA replication.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Show me in that article where it says mRNA plays any role in DNA replication.

Already did

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

"Instead, mRNA medicines are sets of instructions. And these instructions direct cells in the body to make proteins to prevent or fight disease." What do you think DNA does actually?

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Already did

Is this what you meant? Sure specific proteins, complex structures... Again, I asked you to show me where in that article is written that mRNA plays any part in DNA replication.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Is this what you meant? Sure specific proteins, complex structures... Again, I asked you to show me where in that article is written that mRNA plays any part in DNA replication.

All. Ready. Did.

"mRNA is just as critical as DNA.

Without mRNA, your genetic code would never get used by your body. Proteins would never get made. And your body wouldn’t – actually couldn’t – perform its functions. Messenger ribonucleuc acid, or mRNA for short, plays a vital role in human biology, specifically in a process known as protein synthesis. mRNA is a single-stranded molecule that carries genetic code from DNA in a cell’s nucleus to ribosomes, the cell’s protein-making machinery."

https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-techn...rna-technology


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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

All. Ready. Did.

"mRNA is just as critical as DNA.

Without mRNA, your genetic code would never get used by your body. Proteins would never get made. And your body wouldn’t – actually couldn’t – perform its functions. Messenger ribonucleuc acid, or mRNA for short, plays a vital role in human biology, specifically in a process known as protein synthesis. mRNA is a single-stranded molecule that carries genetic code from DNA in a cell’s nucleus to ribosomes, the cell’s protein-making machinery."

https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-techn...rna-technology

Again, your cause-and-effect are backward. DNA>RNA>all sorts of things.


This is the critical point you are missing. You did not support anywhere your concern that mRNA can alter DNA. It does not. You alone are making an incorrect conclusion. I'm trying to help here. That's all. We can drop it.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Again, your cause-and-effect are backward. DNA>RNA>all sorts of things.


This is the critical point you are missing. You did not support anywhere your concern that mRNA can alter DNA. It does not. You alone are making an incorrect conclusion. I'm trying to help here. That's all. We can drop it.

If you can't understand how it works or what it does that's your problem not mine.

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[wbradley]

P1l0t

It appears you are misconstruing something. It is this among other things that misguides people's decisions regards to being vaccinated.

DNA is the blueprint of life, which exists in every living cell that grows, and is replicated with each new cell.
DNA produces RNA in order to carry out instructions related to cell function, growth and replication. It is the "hands". When the RNA completes it's task, it ceases to function as it is a one time instruction. By inserting mRNA in your cells, your DNA does not and will never contain that instruction once the task is performed. It is a temporary trick to force your body to prepare itself for the Covid19 spike protein.

No fighting here, this stuff is really serious.

I'm not a Dr. but I did study this stuff a bit way back. Took a genetics course 2nd year at U of T. The stuff that was cutting edge and being explored then is in many cases well known now. Things like the Human Genome Project pushed things to an entirely different level. As my brother who is a Dr said, I'm probably a bit more educated on this stuff than the average person.

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Already did

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No, you didn't. RNA and mRNA do the work, in this case protein making. DNA issues the instructions. What the vaccine does is to use mRNA to carry an alternative instruction set - to create a new protein. The new protein aids in the body's being able to respond to the virus.

You are claiming the article says things it does not say. Does RNA/mRNA copy instructions from DNA? Yes. Does the vaccine use mRNA to get cells to carry out a new set of instructions to create a different protein? Yes. Does the vaccine use RNA/mRNA to alter DNA itself? No! And the neither the piece you cite nor the discussion from Moderna say that. To get to the conclusions you draw requires inferences that are supported by neither.

Can DNA be altered? Certainly. That's what CRISPR and newer tools for gene editing do. Are these vaccines variations on these gene editing tools. I think not. As a person of science in a different field I learned a long time ago to be careful stating absolutes. I cannot say with absolute certainty that I or this science are right. I can say with a high degree of confidence, however, that you and others making these sorts of specious claims are wrong.

That worries me because we are living in what seems to be post-truth unreality. If we are to achieve something approaching herd immunity a substantial majority of the population will need to be vaccinated. Attempts to scare people away from vaccination makes that significantly more difficult. I've known three people who have died from this virus and well over two dozen friends and acquaintances of good friends who have lost their lives. That is far, far too many.

[wbradley]

+1 from me, lost my father in January. He was going to be 93 in March and otherwise had no life threatening issues beforehand. It robs time from people's lives.