This is the C8 mid-engine Chevy Corvette

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i mean, the skyline and bmws both have v engines. as do lambo and ferrari so i dont really know what your point is.

They have slanted straight six’s. Bmw does sell models without a straight six but their flagship car is their BMW M4 GTS which placed pretty well in Nürburgring lap times considering the cars it bested. And the GTR is a V6 now, but the Skyline GTR, the original Godzilla, and the car that dominated in all types of motorsports, had a straight six, slightly slanted.

My point is you said a straight six puts weight at the end and makes for a poor performing car. I’m telling you that Lambos and Ferraris with V12’s have essentially two slant sixes glued together, thus by logical inference, you must believe they have even worse performance. Moreover, I named a number of cars with straight sixes that dominated in racing and are amazing handling cars.

[Yardjass]

The notion that an engine configuration can ruin the performance of a car is laughable. Chevrolet, while probably keeping a v8, is changing the positioning of their engine to squeeze every bit of performance out of their flagship but the current version isn't exactly a slouch. In fact, it competes with, and beats mid engine supercars.


The same applies for straight six engines and everything else. You simply move shit around to make up for the offset in weight and/or adjust the suspension setup accordingly. Look at the 911. Placing an engine in the rear of the vehicle is in theory, a horrible idea but they seem to pull it off just fine.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

They have slanted straight six’s. Bmw does sell models without a straight six but their flagship car is their BMW M4 GTS which placed pretty well in Nürburgring lap times considering the cars it bested. And the GTR is a V6 now, but the Skyline GTR, the original Godzilla, and the car that dominated in all types of motorsports, had a straight six, slightly slanted.

My point is you said a straight six puts weight at the end and makes for a poor performing car. I’m telling you that Lambos and Ferraris with V12’s have essentially two slant sixes glued together, thus by logical inference, you must believe they have even worse performance. Moreover, I named a number of cars with straight sixes that dominated in racing and are amazing handling cars.

maybe an extra six cylinders makes up for the engines being long. sometimes double the engine size does add performance but i bet a v12 is better than an inline 12 as well. its not a logical inference youre making. its a cherry picked argument. inline motors are just about as heavy and long as you can make an engine that i can think of. when i was talking about straight sixes, i was comparing them to other sixes. you can compare them to 12 cylinders or 4 cylinders or whatever you want but they still make for a very long engine so...

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by fatoni

maybe an extra six cylinders makes up for the engines being long. sometimes double the engine size does add performance but i bet a v12 is better than an inline 12 as well. its not a logical inference youre making. its a cherry picked argument. inline motors are just about as heavy and long as you can make an engine that i can think of. when i was talking about straight sixes, i was comparing them to other sixes. you can compare them to 12 cylinders or 4 cylinders or whatever you want but they still make for a very long engine so...

If you are trying to argue NOW that a V configuration is inherently better for handling than an equal sized engine in an inline configuration then that would be a different argument. That argument is different than saying that cars with inline six engines have inherently poor handling. While it can be said that moving more weight to the mid line of the vehicle is better, and while it is true that a V configuration tends to do that, the assumption you are making is one of principle and not of practice. It doesn't take into account packaging. Packaging will play a roll in aerodynamics, secondary engine components like FI systems, room for suspension components, etc.

Also, there are engineering solutions to difficult problems like how could the GTR have an inline six and an AWD system, but not have the engine sticking three feet in front of the front axles? They used this setup just like what BMW uses in its AWD sedans:


BMW


Here is the WRX's drivetrain. They use a flat opposed 4 like a v4, but to have AWD, they made the transmission inline with the front axle, so the engine sticks forward like below.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

If you are trying to argue NOW that a V configuration is inherently better for handling than an equal sized engine in an inline configuration then that would be a different argument. That argument is different than saying that cars with inline six engines have inherently poor handling. While it can be said that moving more weight to the mid line of the vehicle is better, and while it is true that a V configuration tends to do that, the assumption you are making is one of principle and not of practice. It doesn't take into account packaging. Packaging will play a roll in aerodynamics, secondary engine components like FI systems, room for suspension components, etc.

Also, there are engineering solutions to difficult problems like how could the GTR have an inline six and an AWD system, but not have the engine sticking three feet in front of the front axles? They used this setup just like what BMW uses in its AWD sedans:


BMW


Here is the WRX's drivetrain. They use a flat opposed 4 like a v4, but to have AWD, they made the transmission inline with the front axle, so the engine sticks forward like below.

NOW, the same as before, im speaking to the potential of moving from the v8 to the inline six in a corvette. im still saying that an inline six provides packaging issues that pose a bigger issue for handling than a v6 or v8. i definitely agree that its a theory over practice issue. the thing is, when you are building a car from the ground up, why start with a theoretical hinderance? thats all...

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

If you are trying to argue NOW that a V configuration is inherently better for handling than an equal sized engine in an inline configuration then that would be a different argument. That argument is different than saying that cars with inline six engines have inherently poor handling. While it can be said that moving more weight to the mid line of the vehicle is better, and while it is true that a V configuration tends to do that, the assumption you are making is one of principle and not of practice. It doesn't take into account packaging. Packaging will play a roll in aerodynamics, secondary engine components like FI systems, room for suspension components, etc.

Also, there are engineering solutions to difficult problems like how could the GTR have an inline six and an AWD system, but not have the engine sticking three feet in front of the front axles? They used this setup just like what BMW uses in its AWD sedans:


BMW


Here is the WRX's drivetrain. They use a flat opposed 4 like a v4, but to have AWD, they made the transmission inline with the front axle, so the engine sticks forward like below.

NOW, the same as before, im speaking to the potential of moving from the v8 to the inline six in a corvette. im still saying that an inline six provides packaging issues that pose a bigger issue for handling than a v6 or v8. i definitely agree that its a theory over practice issue. the thing is, when you are building a car from the ground up, why start with a theoretical hinderance? thats all...

[Irace86.2.0]

I’m gonna let this end because a joke became too off topic, and I feel like I am talking to a wall.

[krayzie]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anMFXT4iSK0[/ame]

[reni]

My personal favorite mid-engine Corvette (so far...)

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWV6ea7NcW4[/ame]

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by reni

My personal favorite mid-engine Corvette (so far...)

My car of choice when crashing into the rooster waiting for me inside the barn in Test Drive III.

[krayzie]

There was also the Indy that came out before the CERV III.

[DIG1992]

The race car was spotted https://www.motor1.com/news/261870/m...-engine-sound/

[mazeroni]

We didn't see this yet?

Jalopnik







It has a very 80s vibe to it.

[daiheadjai]

Side note: for anyone reading Jalopnik, I love how the peanut gallery there is so quick to bust Toyota's balls (and Honda/Acura) for the "lengthy" gestation of the next gen Supra and NSX, but I'm not seeing anything about the mid-engine Corvette even though it's been rumoured or teased at some point or another for decades.