Random Thoughts - Part Deux [NO POLITICS]

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Same here, I’ve never busted a wheel stud til today. Specially I didn’t expect ARP stud to bust off. As for tighting the lugnuts I’ve always tighten em w tq wrench to make sure it tq to the spec & never over tighten them.

Also to add, I’m not frustrated at ARP, cuz they make great parts... I’m just frustrated at the timing. I just wanted to replace my brake pads, but now, I’ll be doing more work. I’ll be picking up more ARP studs & lugnuts today. I’m wondering new lugnuts caused this... or maybe I’m overthinking? I used to have Kics lugnuts and they were working nicely, but when I replace it w Muteki this happened. Either way I’ll be picking up different brand & I’m thinking Gorilla. They have forged steel, so it should be strong for daily instead of chrome Vanadium... so I hope

Well, ichitaka05, I don't know what to say. Sometimes, mixed and matched things just don't dance well together. Then again, sometimes things just come from a weak batch …. and break easier.

If I was having this problem, I'd just go with ol @Ultramaroon 's suggestion and replace them all with OEM parts.

Reminds me of the time that I went to replace the spark plugs and spark plug wires on my old Chevrolet. A one hour job, even with making the wires from scratch ….. right?

Somewhere along the line I got the wires crossed up and when I fired that puppy up, big backfires happened. It dawned on me that I didn't know the firing order of that engine. Nope, no maintenance manual, no operators manual, no internet.

Now, try to get ahold of someone, with only a 10 party land line phone, on a Sunday, that would know the firing order of stove bolt 6 engine. Trial and error was not an option, since my last two attempts resulted in me trying to blow the muffler off and the carburetor off.

Since I was only, 14, none of my friends knew shit about engines. Finally, my uncle had one of his mechanics call me and gave me the firing order.


THE END



humfrz

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Try tu put a pea size antiseize grease

In either case, I spend plenty of time jiggling the wheel to allow it to line up in rotation as I hand-tighten the nuts.

I've used antiseize/grease plenty of times but then the torque wrench goes out the window. I'm confident enough in my own skill but I don't suggest others do it.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

In either case, I spend plenty of time jiggling the wheel to allow it to line up in rotation as I hand-tighten the nuts.

I've used antiseize/grease plenty of times but then the torque wrench goes out the window. I'm confident enough in my own skill but I don't suggest others do it.

Now right there is a valuable tip …… wheel studs don't take kindly to be pulled sideways when tightened.


humfrz

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Replace with OEM lugs and nuts. Done. I've had mine off countless times. Like new.

Maybe you missed it, so I’ll say it again. I’ve busted the ARP extended stud & not OEM studs. I must be VERY strong or that ARP are defect. My guess is on the 2nd one.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Maybe you missed it, so I’ll say it again. I’ve busted the ARP extended stud & not OEM studs. I must be VERY strong or that ARP are defect. My guess is on the 2nd one.

I didn't miss it. You didn't say they were longer than OEM. I'm just saying there isn't anything magical about the ARP studs.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I didn't miss it. You didn't say they were longer than OEM. I'm just saying there isn't anything magical about the ARP studs.

Not saying they’re magical, but it’s hellova better than OEM ones.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Not saying they’re magical, but it’s hellova better than OEM ones.

Meh. I bet they're comparable. Any seized fastener will twist off.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Meh. I bet they're comparable. Any seized fastener will twist off.

You think so? Might be... idk there’s no solid research to agree or disagree

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Not saying they’re magical, but it’s hellova better than OEM ones.

A harder/better fastener is not always better. For such a simple device, there's a lot going on. You've got various force vectors, friction, heat cycles, fatigue, particulates, corrosion, etc. Its a bit much for me to explain in more detail and give examples at the moment, unfortunately (at my mom's retirement party lol). The OEM torque specification was calculated and tested on OEM lugs with OEM lugnuts. If you change something of those, it's possible that you have now made that specification incorrect.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Same here, I’ve never busted a wheel stud til today. Specially I didn’t expect ARP stud to bust off. As for tighting the lugnuts I’ve always tighten em w tq wrench to make sure it tq to the spec & never over tighten them.

Also to add, I’m not frustrated at ARP, cuz they make great parts... I’m just frustrated at the timing. I just wanted to replace my brake pads, but now, I’ll be doing more work. I’ll be picking up more ARP studs & lugnuts today. I’m wondering new lugnuts caused this... or maybe I’m overthinking? I used to have Kics lugnuts and they were working nicely, but when I replace it w Muteki this happened. Either way I’ll be picking up different brand & I’m thinking Gorilla. They have forged steel, so it should be strong for daily instead of chrome Vanadium... so I hope

Wait, did you break all of the studs, or just one of them?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Wait, did you break all of the studs, or just one of them?

I broke a stud... but I keep working on it, I’ll break ALL of em.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I broke a stud... but I keep working on it, I’ll break ALL of em.

Are you using a breaker bar or an impact driver?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Spuds

The OEM torque specification was calculated and tested on OEM lugs with OEM lugnuts. If you change something of those, it's possible that you have now made that specification incorrect.

You make a good point. 89 ft/tq was for OEM studs spec vs ARP stud might have lower or higher tq lvl. I should check on that...

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Are you using a breaker bar or an impact driver?

Simple 24” breaker bar, cuz my electric impact gun can’t in screw it.