Should I go AT or MT?

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by guybo

Not even a little. It does not divert attention from the wheel or driving at all (unless you are just starting out driving and don't know how to drive stick). Where did you find a statistic saying MT is more dangerous than AT?

It's not a distraction thing, once you know how to drive its second nature. I think MT have more motor and tranny issues than AT because miss shifts, bouncing off of rev limiters and clutch dumps don't help. AT cant do that as easily, a few people wreck their tranny with brake pedal holds.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by kakacarrotcake

Depends on the person, if anything, driving a manual makes me more aware because it keeps my focus on driving and not on my phone or stereo etc. I can't say the same for anyone else, but driving an auto makes me complacent and distracted. Seems to me that someone in that situation would be more likely to be involved in an accident.

Sounds like you're a fairly inexperienced driver if you require that much concentration just to row your own gears

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FR-Sky

"Being really good with a manual transmission can be a reward unto itself. People either feel it, or they don't."

Thats really true actually...when you drive MT like your hand and feet..that feeling..just amazing.

If it is new to you maybe.

Originally Posted by xuimod

Its because I think MT drivers are more likely to wreck their cars. Manual drivers who wreck their cars aren't going to go on a forum and say I should have gotten an automatic.... they have more important things to worry about like injuries, insurance, possible lawsuits, getting a car that works (if thats their only car).

With manual cars, there's more to keep track of (clutch engagement, being in the correct gear, etc), it diverts attention away from making up for the bad habits of other drivers .... like other drivers who slam on their brakes in stop and go traffic or change lanes without signaling.

I can see the appeal of manual cars but in an area with a lot of traffic and bad drivers, it can get nerve racking.

That is all just sily.

Originally Posted by kakacarrotcake

Depends on the person, if anything, driving a manual makes me more aware because it keeps my focus on driving and not on my phone or stereo etc. I can't say the same for anyone else, but driving an auto makes me complacent and distracted. Seems to me that someone in that situation would be more likely to be involved in an accident.

If you lose focus so easily because you don't shift gears then you could just use the paddles all the time.

Originally Posted by Ernest72

It's not a distraction thing, once you know how to drive its second nature. I think MT have more motor and tranny issues than AT because miss shifts, bouncing off of rev limiters and clutch dumps don't help. AT cant do that as easily, a few people wreck their tranny with brake pedal holds.

This^ Contrary to popular belief these cars are built as a street car that can be used on the track, not a track car that can be used on the street. You hammer it al the time and things will break. You need to expect that since dedicated race cars have beefed up parts for a reason.

I have been driving MTs for over 40 years and give no more conscious thought to when to shift than I do when to brake or steer. Do people really see a car stop in front of them and deliberately think "Oh that car stopped I had better start braking at 200 feet away so that I come to a rest 2 car lengths back"? No, you just do it. For as "engaged" as I am in my normal driving I may as well have an AT since the reality is that I am pretty much shifting automatically anyway. Now on those rare occasions when I want to push the limits then the MT does certainly have a couple of advantages.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If it is new to you maybe.


That is all just sily.
If you lose focus so easily because you don't shift gears then you could just use the paddles all the time.


This^ Contrary to popular belief these cars are built as a street car that can be used on the track, not a track car that can be used on the street. You hammer it al the time and things will break. You need to expect that since dedicated race cars have beefed up parts for a reason.

I have been driving MTs for over 40 years and give no more conscious thought to when to shift than I do when to brake or steer. Do people really see a car stop in front of them and deliberately think "Oh that car stopped I had better start braking at 200 feet away so that I come to a rest 2 car lengths back"? No, you just do it. For as "engaged" as I am in my normal driving I may as well have an AT since the reality is that I am pretty much shifting automatically anyway. Now on those rare occasions when I want to push the limits then the MT does certainly have a couple of advantages.

Only real advantages are launching and clutch kicks.

Both transmissions are great, I'm happy with AT but I do sometimes miss shifting on my own, especially since I don't have to commute with the car anymore and sit in traffic with an ankle that feels like it's being stabbed with an ice pick while being lit on fire.

Edit: in regards to MT being "automatic" for you after 40 years of MT driving, I feel you on that, I was at that point about 8 months into driving MT. Not sure why people love pushing MT as some mystical skill that not everyone can have. At least you're realistic and honest about it.

[soulreapersteve]

Originally Posted by Cole

Only real advantages are launching and clutch kicks.

Both transmissions are great, I'm happy with AT but I do sometimes miss shifting on my own, especially since I don't have to commute with the car anymore and sit in traffic with an ankle that feels like it's being stabbed with an ice pick while being lit on fire.

Edit: in regards to MT being "automatic" for you after 40 years of MT driving, I feel you on that, I was at that point about 8 months into driving MT. Not sure why people love pushing MT as some mystical skill that not everyone can have. At least you're realistic and honest about it.

I was learning to drive a manual in my brother's civic few months back. After 2 days, I found myself trying to find the clutch pedal in my own car.. only to realize I kept stomping on the brake..

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If it is new to you maybe.

No. I will always love the well-executed second gear pull, a smooth double-clutched, rev-matched downshift into third at 5 Krpm to pass on a 2 lane road.

Sure, I've done it a million times. I've eaten a million cheeseburgers too. Still love both.

Don't piss on my simple pleasures, you grumpy old curmudgeon.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

No. I will always love the well-executed second gear pull, a smooth double-clutched, rev-matched downshift into third at 5 Krpm to pass on a 2 lane road.

Sure, I've done it a million times. I've eaten a million cheeseburgers too. Still love both.

Don't piss on my simple pleasures, you grumpy old curmudgeon.

Ahhh see but you are not me and that is sort of the point of the whole thread and any other where somebody asks this question. They have to decide for their reasons not ours.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ahhh see but you are not me and that is sort of the point of the whole thread and any other where somebody asks this question. They have to decide for their reasons not ours.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If it is new to me maybe.

ok then, fify

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

ok then, fify

Some?

[Raven34]

Thanks Tcoat for explaining it right. As for all opinions........they are just that, stop working yourselves up over nothing.

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[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Some?

Meh, ok.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Meh, ok.

[FR-Sky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

If it is new to you maybe.


That is all just sily.
If you lose focus so easily because you don't shift gears then you could just use the paddles all the time.


This^ Contrary to popular belief these cars are built as a street car that can be used on the track, not a track car that can be used on the street. You hammer it al the time and things will break. You need to expect that since dedicated race cars have beefed up parts for a reason.

I have been driving MTs for over 40 years and give no more conscious thought to when to shift than I do when to brake or steer. Do people really see a car stop in front of them and deliberately think "Oh that car stopped I had better start braking at 200 feet away so that I come to a rest 2 car lengths back"? No, you just do it. For as "engaged" as I am in my normal driving I may as well have an AT since the reality is that I am pretty much shifting automatically anyway. Now on those rare occasions when I want to push the limits then the MT does certainly have a couple of advantages.

I am not new,,but thats why passion,,I still feel good.

[Calvin27]

Originally Posted by shiumai

Also, what are the advantages that you can use the clutch to? I've already mentioned launching, burning out etc. But what practical advantage is there in daily driving that a clutch provides?

Well if you are talking daily driver, then should have gotten a honda civic.