Premium vs regular fuels

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Big D Design

If you are living in an area without 93 octane and only have 91 octane......

1 Use a "Teir One" brand.
2Most boat owners with an outboard motor will tell you about how corn in the gas kills motors. Lucas booster also lubricates the top end of the motor too.

I'm not a quack. I have tested gasolines and boosters for years on end. I have even gotten up to 30 more HP on modified cars.

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

Any proof of this?

The manual recommends using 93, yes, but somehow, I'm doubtful that simply using 93 from 91 will increase horsepower, let alone as dramatically as you describe it.

Originally Posted by mdm

The fact that you got the name wrong (it's "Top Tier", or "Top Tier Detergent gasoline") somehow makes me question your HP increase claims.

Any of those mentioned in bold to be a big turn off to listening to this guy

1) modern outboards have no detriment to running 10% ethanol, and the myth that it will void their warranties and that tanks they use will get damaged is a falsehood
2)Putting a smiley face on every part of his comment to gain trust of a false belief?
3)"I'm not a quack, I gained 30 hp on my vehicles..." Do you have dynamometer proof?
4) "Lubricate top end with lucas oil octane booster" What? How? How the hell does the octane booster reach the valve-train to help lubrication? Fuel dilution? Not only is that bad for the oil life it could be dangerous.


He preaches the same exact stuff about lucas oil octane booster all over the forum without anecdotal proof of an increase in performance:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=19
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...4&postcount=26

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[Big D Design]

I don't post much. I live with myself knowing that research blows away just reading and word of mouth. Corn in motors is bad. Eat some corn just like I did yesterday. Don't put it in your boat motor without Lucas fuel stabilizer. Give Lucas a call...... I spent 50 years at the drag strip. Lucas knows more than you.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Big D Design

I don't post much. I live with myself knowing that research blows away just reading and word of mouth. Corn in motors is bad. Eat some corn just like I did yesterday. Don't put it in your boat motor without Lucas fuel stabilizer. Give Lucas a call...... I spent 50 years at the drag strip. Lucas knows more than you.

Lucas like every other additive company in the market want you to use there products, obviously they will talk them up, I'd like an MSDS of that additive to see what's inside it. Modern outboards are literally tuned for E10 now in fuels. The only issue with them is preventing long term moisture build up.

There are plenty of articles debunking your loss of power belief:

http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdviso...nol-Fuel-Myths

http://yamahaoutboards.com/owner-res...-ethanol-fuels

http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2011/...er/ethanol.asp

http://gas2.org/2011/07/02/5-common-...posed-as-crap/

http://www.permaculture.com/node/490

On older engines yes this is an issue, even on lawn mowers with carbs that don't use ethanol resistant diaphragms and seats but on modern stuff not so much. Also again read the manual it is perfectly safe on stock tune to run 91 on our cars there should be no reason for adding octane booster to that.

[Big D Design]

Gas is rated as tier 1 being the best. There is no top their. Who are you? Just go to the auto parts store and buy a bottle of Lucas. Try it and make sure you do some redline. I can't believe you people haven't tried to raise your octane in Cali. I lived there for 8 years and the fuel needs help. Period.

[Big D Design]

You're right. Newer motors are made to handle corn. I still think corn is the bad fuel.

[Big D Design]

I ask you...... If I noticed better acceleration and better MPG.... Isn't that cool?

Intake and exhaust is a waste to upgrade. The octane boost works. Try it or quiet.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Big D Design

I ask you...... If I noticed better acceleration and better MPG.... Isn't that cool?
Intake and exhaust is a waste to upgrade. The octane boost works. Try it or quiet.

Show me hard anecdotal proof that you gained better MPG and acceleration. Not some subjective number without a dyno test or seat of the pants feel.

Intake and exhaust is a waste to upgrade? The header and tune on my car yield 20-30 hp in the torque dip region, your octane booster can't do that. The FR-S OEM ecu tune is so consistent it will not go past 200 hp at the crank even if you go past 93 octane, the only difference is you'll lose likelihood it will knock if at all.

Originally Posted by Big D Design

You're right. Newer motors are made to handle corn. I still think corn is the bad fuel.

Do you know how to quote people? because making 3 separate posts in a row to one thread not directed to anyone isn't very helpful.

Originally Posted by Big D Design

Gas is rated as tier 1 being the best. There is no top their. Who are you? Just go to the auto parts store and buy a bottle of Lucas. Try it and make sure you do some redline. I can't believe you people haven't tried to raise your octane in Cali. I lived there for 8 years and the fuel needs help. Period.

Gas is rated as tier 1 being the best. There is no top their.
What are you even attempting to say here?

Just go to the auto parts store and buy a bottle of Lucas. Try it and make sure you do some redline. I can't believe you people haven't tried to raise your octane in Cali. I lived there for 8 years and the fuel needs help. Period.

I have a tune and run 93 octane and have datalogs proving that's more than enough, even 91 if I flash to that tune but you lose a minuscule amount of power. On the OEM tune there is no difference.

As for California as to whether or not it "needs help" show me again, some proof, that shows its not good enough for our cars on OEM tune.



The problem really is you're making false accusations and pushing some product saying it'll work, I'm not sure if you're intentionally spamming "Lucas octane booster" but you've made some pretty hefty claims without any evidence. You even went as far as saying it'll increase top end lubrication.

[Big D Design]

I'm right. Just talked to the technician at Lucas and he states that the Fuel Stabilizer and Upper Lubricant is still in their Octane Booster. All you have to do is touch the stuff and feel the lube in it. Anyway, he states that Cali 91 turns into 94 octane using a half bottle at fill-up. I'm just trying to help here. I use the NOS Racing Formula with my JDM Motor '92 Maxima for 4 years. I also used the Lucas Oil as well. The NOS is very expensive. $13.99 per 20 gallon bottle and contains Nitro Methane along with MMT. If you live in an area where there is only 91 octane gas..... just try it. What do you have to lose other than a funnel and $9.

Nissan uses 0ctane Boost when testing the GTR in Cali. hmmm

[Big D Design]

http://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-tr...fuel-treatment

this is what is in the boost also

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Big D Design

I'm right. Just talked to the technician at Lucas and he states that the Fuel Stabilizer and Upper Lubricant is still in their Octane Booster. All you have to do is touch the stuff and feel the lube in it. Anyway, he states that Cali 91 turns into 94 octane using a half bottle at fill-up. I'm just trying to help here. I use the NOS Racing Formula with my JDM Motor '92 Maxima for 4 years. I also used the Lucas Oil as well. The NOS is very expensive. $13.99 per 20 gallon bottle and contains Nitro Methane along with MMT. If you live in an area where there is only 91 octane gas..... just try it. What do you have to lose other than a funnel and $9.

Nissan uses 0ctane Boost when testing the GTR in Cali. hmmm

I am curious how any octane booster adds more power, much less 30HP as previously stated. (Legit question not a flame)

[mdm]

Originally Posted by Big D Design

I use the NOS Racing Formula with my JDM Motor '92 Maxima for 4 years. I also used the Lucas Oil as well. The NOS is very expensive. $13.99 per 20 gallon bottle and contains Nitro Methane along with MMT.

Don't know about the '92 Maxima, but it may worth noting that:








Also, I am curious what parts is the Upper Lubricant supposed to lubricate?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mdm

Don't know about the '92 Maxima, but it may worth noting that:








Also, I am curious what parts is the Upper Lubricant supposed to lubricate?

Well since they shouted "DOES NOT" I think they are pretty concerned about it!

[darthpnoy1984]

I usually trust mainly Shell or Chevron for my Premium gas on the car, I tend to get max MPG or to what MFG advertised it as.