Turbo version confirmed? (apologize for this if its a re-post)

[samsung001]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

This is conjecture.



Yes, still N/A.

really? i have read many reviews (on both 86/brz). I really can't see ppl put up any negative comment on these cars, the only down-side they normally pointed out is lack of torque & power. Honestly...for me, with this money (39.5k drive away for GTS hey?), am totally happy with it.
But.....i wouldn't mind to spend extra $5k for the turbo version (if they really build it next yr).....

So..i dunno what to do.... leave the deposit now and drive the NA 86 in Sept or wait for the turbo version?

[Nardi330]

or get a HKS supercharger kit when its ready.

[70NYD]

The only reason in saying factory bolt on is warranty

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by samsung001

they normally pointed out is lack of torque & power.
So..i dunno what to do.... leave the deposit now and drive the NA 86 in Sept or wait for the turbo version?

I am being a pedant but it does not lack torque or power. If this were the case it would not be going anywhere. The 86 has a higher power/weight than my existing car (which weighs 1080kgs with me in the car) and the same quoted maximum torque. What some people mean is it doesn't have enough power for them. If you decide to wait you might be waiting a while because a forced induction motor is just speculation at this point in time. If you buy now and and you enjoy driving the n/a would a later forced induction option negate your driving pleasure now?

My 18 cents.

[Nafe]

If someone’s opinion is that it lacks power/torque, that is exactly that. Their opinion. It is subjective. I may think the power is perfectly fine for the car, but you may think it needs more.
I for one am not hanging out for a FI model. I am happy to get a natro. I am “benchmarking”, for lack of better term, the performance of this car against my old AE86. It was natro. Had a few power up grades, but still wasn’t a ball tearer. I am not buying this car for traffic light racing, or highway racing or even proper drag racing. I just want a well balanced, capable sports car. Numbers aren’t a priority

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Nafe

I just want a well balanced, capable sports car. Numbers aren’t a priority

+1

[Varvs]

Originally Posted by Nafe

If someone’s opinion is that it lacks power/torque, that is exactly that. Their opinion. It is subjective. I may think the power is perfectly fine for the car, but you may think it needs more.
I for one am not hanging out for a FI model. I am happy to get a natro. I am “benchmarking”, for lack of better term, the performance of this car against my old AE86. It was natro. Had a few power up grades, but still wasn’t a ball tearer. I am not buying this car for traffic light racing, or highway racing or even proper drag racing. I just want a well balanced, capable sports car. Numbers aren’t a priority

the S13/180sx is no powerhouse, making only 150kw at the fly from the factory. the reason they are so popular though is that due to the turbo, it is easy to extract a comfortable amount of power with good response.

with a turbo back exhaust, aftermarket side mount IC and an intake filter upgrade and a $20 boost tee I have a heap more power and a much more fun car. if i went up to a larger turbo, even only slightly, i could be seeing another 10-30kw depending how risky I like to run.


with NA engines, you start with the basics (intake, exhaust, headers) but once youve done that, and perhaps a remap, there isnt a lot of modifications you can make that are inexpensive and easy to do. Cams, cam gears and headwork are all very expensive and dont net as much power as the bolt ones you can apply to a turbo engine.


a turbo model will make this much easier to tune and play around with. the NA is just to test the waters to see if the market is there, and it definitely is. watch them release forced induction models next refresh.

[Nardi330]

yes but there is a market for inexpensive NA sports car and there is also a market for a more expensive higher power sports car.

obviously the higher the price, the smaller the market.

i think the 86/BRZ is a good market segment to start the sports car come back. start at $30-40k then bring a higher powered version between $40-50k.

the success of 86/BRZ sends a strong message to manufacturers, if you build a sports car that is good, fun and cheap, people will buy it.

[nix]

Nardi you're talking pricing for a market, I think the point is more about what power to weight they could have delivered at what build cost.

I'm with varvs I wish they had given us a real tuner engine and not an eco high compression lump but who knows what options will come up in the next year or 2.

[Nardi330]

but if they are going to give us a FI engine, it will cost more.

or are you happy to take an engine like the VW 1.4 turbo, which doesn't rev too high and will need to change quite a lot of parts to gain hp?

[Ballsak2nv]

For the average Joe this donk maybe enough but we all know the masses want/need more.

I personally only see 2 good things about this FA20 Boxer type N/A engine, it helps keep the cog low and the 12.5-1 compression.

Any real hillclimb, drift or circuit advocate will scream for more power.

But as ive read before, the chassis/basics are there and now its up to us to mod as we need/like for what ever purpose we have for the car.

And god dam it, if i want more hp either thru N/A or F/I then i will get it.

These claims of "why more hp/torque" and "wait till you drive it" are getting real old real quick.

200hp for a 1250kg car and weight of driver still to be added isnt good power for weight ratio and will never really satisfy anyone interested in before mentioned activities.

My rant over.

[Nardi330]

But remember this thing costs $29,990+ Orc.

U need to pay to play. If power is your biggest concern maybe this is not the car for you.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Ballsak2nv

For the average Joe this donk maybe enough but we all know the masses want/need more.

Could you send a link to the survey/s that back this statement up? Isn't "average Joe" part of the masses?

Originally Posted by Ballsak2nv

Any real hillclimb, drift or circuit advocate will scream for more power.

Have you ever been to a hill climb? I ask this because at the local hill climb here in Canberra some of the vehicles have included Datsun 120Y, Formula Holden, Holden Monaro, Daihatsu Charade,Evo,MX5, Formula Libre, Peugeot. FWD, RWD and AWD. People are doing this for fun in what ever car they have.

Originally Posted by Ballsak2nv

200hp for a 1250kg car and weight of driver still to be added isnt good power for weight ratio and will never really satisfy anyone interested in before mentioned activities.

I refute this statement. I fully appreciate it's not powerful enough for you but you are not everybody.

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[nix]

Guess what snooze you're not everybody either.

No one is trying to force you to put an exhaust on your car so try not to be so condescending to people who might want to drive this car hard.