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Old 09-22-2015, 09:52 PM   #113
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I can get the ST's for $150 less than these. My heart/mind is torn. I want to autox hit up mountain roads and daily. I'm planning on either of these, sways, and new wheels/tires.
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Old 09-22-2015, 10:15 PM   #114
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^ get ST then why wait if 150 is a factor in your purchasing decision. :p
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Old 09-22-2015, 11:17 PM   #115
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I can get the ST's for $150 less than these. My heart/mind is torn. I want to autox hit up mountain roads and daily. I'm planning on either of these, sways, and new wheels/tires.
Get the ST if you want to save $150. Get the Flex Z if you want camber plates.
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Old 10-29-2015, 02:02 PM   #116
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I've just ordered massive wheels and will have a few months where I won't be able to drive the car (winter in Indiana sucks...) so I may have to do a bit of saving and buy these! Impressed with CSG's review, waiting to see more!
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Old 10-29-2015, 09:18 PM   #117
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I still havent installed them because no damm time...
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Old 10-29-2015, 09:48 PM   #118
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I still havent installed them because no damm time...
Do it! Do it Nao! Not sure what it is about your screen name but every time I see it I think "Kim Kardashian"
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I cant justify paying a shop like $500+ for install
i just dont have enough time..yup married life lol
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I cant justify paying a shop like $500+ for install
i just dont have enough time..yup married life lol
Dang labor rates have gone up, that or whomever quoted $500 is, ahem.. People got to eat, I guess. Say the labor rate is 100/hr (probably more) 5 hour job? Are they detailing the underside of the car while they're at it? do you get a back massage while you wait? j/k And I used to charge shops a fraction of that to bring my tools down to lower peoples cars for them back in the day. A fifth of that, sometimes less, but that's back-in-da-day.
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$500 is in the lower spectrum around here if you include the cost of an alignment.
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Yeah? I need to get back into doing installs then lol. $500 - $120 rounded (80~150) = $380/100 per hr labor = 3.5~4 hour job? Or $125/hr for roughly 3 hour job? Man... come look for me if you need installs then. I'll beat any price! lmao (only half joking)
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Yeah? I need to get back into doing installs then lol. $500 - $120 rounded (80~150) = $380/100 per hr labor = 3.5~4 hour job? Or $125/hr for roughly 3 hour job? Man... come look for me if you need installs then. I'll beat any price! lmao (only half joking)
Including alignment, it was like $595..
I am not complaining. i respect all performance shops price because they take their time and making sure there is no error..
however, my hobby is car and like to DIYs on most of parts myself. i cannot call myself perfect mechanic but somewhat novice level..so i can do coilover + LCA... maybe i'd go and pay $595 if my time is not allowed
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Including alignment, it was like $595..
I am not complaining. i respect all performance shops price because they take their time and making sure there is no error..
however, my hobby is car and like to DIYs on most of parts myself. i cannot call myself perfect mechanic but somewhat novice level..so i can do coilover + LCA... maybe i'd go and pay $595 if my time is not allowed
Good part of having a reputable shop doing it for you is the guarantee you get. Instead of you scratching your temples and asking people on forums why your suspension is making weird noises when you try to DIY. Though, many shops only give you the runaround when something goes south... That's "business" I guess.

This has been an eye opener for me, about labor rates, since I do all my services myself anyway. I had no idea how expensive it is nowadays. Seriously considering getting my ASE cert renewed now. If not for some side jobs (which I still do as favors), for shits and giggles.
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Including alignment, it was like $595..
I am not complaining. i respect all performance shops price because they take their time and making sure there is no error..
however, my hobby is car and like to DIYs on most of parts myself. i cannot call myself perfect mechanic but somewhat novice level..so i can do coilover + LCA... maybe i'd go and pay $595 if my time is not allowed
You can tell alot about how skillful and caring a technician is by simply based on their procedure, process, efficiency, and even placement of tools. I can also tell you there are only a few people who I know who are like that in southern California.
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Good part of having a reputable shop doing it for you is the guarantee you get. Instead of you scratching your temples and asking people on forums why your suspension is making weird noises when you try to DIY. Though, many shops only give you the runaround when something goes south... That's "business" I guess.

This has been an eye opener for me, about labor rates, since I do all my services myself anyway. I had no idea how expensive it is nowadays. Seriously considering getting my ASE cert renewed now. If not for some side jobs (which I still do as favors), for shits and giggles.


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You can tell alot about how skillful and caring a technician is by simply based on their procedure, process, efficiency, and even placement of tools. I can also tell you there are only a few people who I know who are like that in southern California.
I totally agree with you guys.
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