Production version ready next April

[DantKR]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Look I clearly didnt mean that 50% of the GLOBAL market (stop thinking just USA ffs, your so narrow minded..) are enthusiasts, what I meant is that there is deffinately more than 5% of ppl that actually care about the way their car performs, way it takes of, way it takes corners, and don't give a fuck about mpg (eg everyone who bought a rx7, supra, vspec|| from factory even stock they are great cars)
MOST people actually care about 0-60 or it wouldn't be marketed under that or how much power a car has.. But the thing is there are at least 2-3 out of 10 ppl out there that don't actually care about the cars as long as they look 'cute'..
But there is also that 5% that care about sports performance cars, that love them and would always modify a car to obtain the best out of it, but can only afford a Hyundai Getz..

I'm using the USA because I have statistics for it readily available. And it's one of the largest(probably second now to China) auto markets.

The thing is while yes, the RX-7 FC and FD are both wonderful performing cars, believe me I know <3 FDs, as are most cars that you will bring up. But again, only a minority of the owners bought them for performance reasons, a lot of people bought them because it's the cool vehicle to have or because they thought they were poon magnets. I still see bone stock RX-7's come on the market that have not been driven spirited. Again, I'm talking performance in the sense that we here think of it. If you really want to break it down in the largest of possibilities then I will concede that probably about 25% of buyers care. But in reality, most BMW, Porsche, Lamo, drivers are doing it for three reasons. Label(think people that MUST buy apple products), attractiveness(look at me factor), and status symbols.

Again, please provide me statistics to other countries so we can see what the median income of each country is, how many licensed drivers there are in your country, and what percent you think actually cares about TRUE performance.

[oneday]

Originally Posted by Dimman

now trading pleasantries with Paul Tracy in Battle of the Supercars.

But, Paul Tracy is a Canadian treasure!

Oh, well. At least you can claim Villeneuve (and I don't mean Jaques).

[Matador]

I think I can come up with two reasons why most consider Scion worthless, wthout even mentioning tanner or the tC.

I believe these two pics sum it up nicely





That is all.

[oneday]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I think I can come up with two reasons why most consider Scion worthless, wthout even mentioning tanner or the tC.

I know you've thought/implied/said that I am dense....so this may come as no big surprise, but....I really don't get the point of that post, Matador.

I am quick to disparage the xD as an ugly, metro-centric, econ-box, but I don't see how someone turning them into rally cars makes the brand "pointless." These are purpose built rally cars. Duplessis knows a thing or two about rallying and building rally cars, so he obviously thinks the car will be competitive in its class. Would I want one? Nope...I'd rather do this, just because I like the look of the exterior more.



I'm sure you will write all sorts of glowing/awesome things about the R2/O'neil/Ford effort, while bashing 0-60/Scion's, but the fact remains: Both the xD and the Fiesta are purpose built for rallying and neither exclusively uses OEM/OTS parts. Though these xDs are more "off the showroom floor" than this Fiesta.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

" By adding a raft of new parts (pistons, camshafts, injectors, air filter, etc.), the Fiesta R2 is capable of producing 168 horsepower and 134 pound-feet of torque – gains of 48 and 22 over the stock car, respectively."


~$10,000 for a 48hp gain? I'm assuming these are now Turbo Ready internals. I'd fucking hope so anyways lol
Beyond the slew of suspension, brake, exhaust mods done, it seems a little more expensive than I thought it would be.

[oneday]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

~$10,000 for a 48hp gain? I'm assuming these are now Turbo Ready internals. I'd fucking hope so anyways lol
Beyond the slew of suspension, brake, exhaust mods done, it seems a little more expensive than I thought it would be.

Where is the $10K figure from? I don't see a price listed anywhere...but even if it is that expensive, it's really not bad for a 40% bump in power, cage, suspension, safety gear, armor --especially if that is the installed price.

The Fiesta is about $15K so for $25K you have a very good starting point for a decent rally car (you will still need wheels, tires and a few other rally essentials)...figure $30K gets you out onto the narrow dirt roads at speed.

[DantKR]

$25k for a 2WD rally car?

I'll just buy a WRX for 26k and call it a day...

[oneday]

Originally Posted by DantKR

$25k for a 2WD rally car?

I'll just buy a WRX for 26k and call it a day...

Sure, if you want very nice, quick, street car. Good luck getting into a Rally America or SCCA Pro Rally event. $25K for a brand new, competition ready race car (I don't care what type of racing) is a smokin' deal.

[DantKR]

Enthusiasts who add the R2 package to their Fiestas will be eligible to compete in the new Fiesta Sport Trophy Championship division of RallyCar's Rally America National Championship 2WD class.

If they allow people to enter in every year that would be cool but if not I wouldn't spend 25k on a fiesta to enter in a single event. Just me though! I'm honestly not sure how many AWD vs 2WD rally events are around, I haven't looked into it.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

Originally Posted by oneday

Where is the $10K figure from? I don't see a price listed anywhere...but even if it is that expensive, it's really not bad for a 40% bump in power, cage, suspension, safety gear, armor --especially if that is the installed price.

The Fiesta is about $15K so for $25K you have a very good starting point for a decent rally car (you will still need wheels, tires and a few other rally essentials)...figure $30K gets you out onto the narrow dirt roads at speed.

I was skimming comments in the article, they said something like 9,995 euro, and because I'm a not conversion master and much to lazy to convert I just said $10k. Even if I did convert it, it wouldn't reflect on the market cost anyways.

Originally Posted by autoblog

The R2 package was designed by M-Sport, a company that has been Ford's WRC partner since 1997, and New Hampshire-based team O'Neil Motorsports is the official reseller and authorized installer for this kit... Only cars assembled by Team O'Neil can qualify for this series

Originally Posted by StinkyPete

R2 CONVERSION KIT

The kit to convert the donor car to a rally car is available at the price of £19,995 +VAT and delivery. The kit should be ordered in either Gravel or Tarmac specification. Please note that wheels are not included in the kit.

But yeah, 30k gets you a competition-ready FWD rally car. Where is the fun in FWD rally? I rally around town in my civic :P

EDIT :: wow, I missed the 1 infront of the 19,995 tag.. and thats british pounds I think. I have no idea what the conversion is but I'm pretty damn sure thats expensive. I bolded the price I thought, vs the price StinkyPete quoted.

2nd EDIT :: And I have no idea how accurate StinkyPete's price quote is and if it includes installation. It seems official but I can't put any faith in it. For now its the only price figure I could find.

[DantKR]

9,995 euro = 14,017.98 USD

[oneday]

Originally Posted by DantKR

If they allow people to enter in every year that would be cool but if not I wouldn't spend 25k on a fiesta to enter in a single event. Just me though! I'm honestly not sure how many AWD vs 2WD rally events are around, I haven't looked into it.

The way these specialty categories usually work is you can enter it in any RA event and then you are also in the sub-category of the Fiesta Championship. There are always 2WD and AWD categories--they do not compete against each other in Rally America events. There were a decent number of events and competitors in NA. We've got one this weekend in southern Jersey at NJMP...this will be the third one in the last 6 weeks..should be fun (the last two were pretty cool).

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

I was skimming comments in the article, they said something like 9,995 euro

You did better then I did then, because I completely missed any references to cost. :happy0180:

Originally Posted by DantKR

9,995 euro = 14,017.98 USD

So $35K gets you into a competition ready car. Still not bad.

[Siriusly.Andrew]

did you guys read my edit? -- Didn't think you were so active lol.. I'll repost in here in a sec, for now you can read the edit to my last post.

Originally Posted by StinkyPete

R2 CONVERSION KIT

The kit to convert the donor car to a rally car is available at the price of £19,995 +VAT and delivery. The kit should be ordered in either Gravel or Tarmac specification. Please note that wheels are not included in the kit.

(edits from my first post)
EDIT :: wow, I missed the 1 infront of the 19,995 tag.. and thats british pounds I think. I have no idea what the conversion is but I'm pretty damn sure thats expensive. I bolded the price I thought, vs the price StinkyPete quoted.

2nd EDIT :: And I have no idea how accurate StinkyPete's price quote is and if it includes installation. It seems official but I can't put any faith in it. For now its the only price figure I could find.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by oneday

I know you've thought/implied/said that I am dense....so this may come as no big surprise, but....I really don't get the point of that post, Matador.

I am quick to disparage the xD as an ugly, metro-centric, econ-box, but I don't see how someone turning them into rally cars makes the brand "pointless." These are purpose built rally cars. Duplessis knows a thing or two about rallying and building rally cars, so he obviously thinks the car will be competitive in its class. Would I want one? Nope...I'd rather do this, just because I like the look of the exterior more.



I'm sure you will write all sorts of glowing/awesome things about the R2/O'neil/Ford effort, while bashing 0-60/Scion's, but the fact remains: Both the xD and the Fiesta are purpose built for rallying and neither exclusively uses OEM/OTS parts. Though these xDs are more "off the showroom floor" than this Fiesta.

The R2 fiesta, is done right. the 0-60 xD, pure poser-ness. It is made to look like one of Toyota's old rally cars, plus a roll cage and some tarmac tyres, with neigh any improvement bar some coilovers. It also has never been raced, and likely never will be. I'm sure some of the money that goes toward marketing those douchey "underground" events could go towards putting in some wrench time on the xD, making a worthwhile power, chassis and better suspension upgrade, and campaigning it at even say the X games or some form of grassroots motorsport event.

That's my point. Simple as that. The Fiesta doesn't get a 100% pass either, It should have had a snail, and awd. That however, is another post for another thread.