FRS in the Snow..

[STV3]

Originally Posted by stugray

Sorry but - DO NOT DRIVE ON THE STOCK PRIMACY HPs in the SNOW - EVER

I have lived my entire life in Colorado and have NEVER chenged my tires from summer to winter tires.
I have always used All-season tires (so 30 years snow experinece, NEVER with snow tires).

SO I thought it would be the same with this car.
I drove out of my neighborhood one day in the snow and about 1 degree above freezing.
I did brake checks and steering checks before pulling out onto a freeway.

Then SPUN the car completely into oncoming traffic on the freeway.
It was partially the fault of the TC/VSC system, but the zero grip from the tires was the initial cause.

Never again - The Primacy HPs turn into polished granite below about 35 degrees...

I now have Hankook Winters and I can drive circles around some 4WD cars out there.

I'm not saying its a good idea to. I'm just saying they aren't the worst tires I've ever driven on in the snow and they are manageable.

When I was a teenager into my early 20's I drove through about 3-4 winters on bfgoodrich g-force kdw 2's with my SRT-4. Now that is what you call ice skating lol. Driving through winter on summer tires is never a good idea.

I now use my SRT when it snows with a set of 15" wheels and 205 Firestone winter forces and I can through anything.

[echo419]

I live in Georgia. so I don't need snow tires. I can just stay home for a day or 2 every 3-4 years.

[Marx]

Originally Posted by oldlostcory

I run General Altimax Artics, fairly cheap tire and they have been great for the past season and the one snow day we've had this season.

I've got these and I like 'em as long as it stays cold, my drive to work is like a WRC stage when there's ice or snow but they definitely get marshmallowey if it's sunny and dry. I'll check out the siping thing, that might help.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by echo419

I live in Georgia. so I don't need snow tires. I can just stay home for a day or 2 every 3-4 years.

I had a blast watching Georgia come to a snow induced grinding halt on the news last winter! I have seen 5 or 6 inch's of snow an hour that didn't even slow down traffic up here.

[Elkton86er]

Originally Posted by Marx

but they definitely get marshmallowey if it's sunny and dry.

I did a lot of research in the fall and ended up choosing Blizzak LM-32s because where I live there's a LOT more cold/dry/rain than actual snow/ice. Drove them this morning and they seemed grippier than my old A/S tires from last winter - especially braking. Didn't really push it though as today was the first snow we've had this season.

[echo419]

here's the problem. it was ice not snow and everyone in the city left at the same time. literally. that number of people trying to flee the city in perfect weather is a problem. then I would say 60% of the people living from here are from Ohio. they thought since they're from an icebox like that it wouldn't be a problem. ice is ice. AWD/4WD doesn't matter. that's why hockey players wear skates. the the rest of the population has literally zero exp on ice. you see the trick is don't try and drive on ice. it doesn't work. and finally we just don't have the equipment. since it hardly happens once every 5-10 years spending all that money to store and keep all the necessary equipment just isn't worth it.

I would have made it home just fine had a bunch of soccer moms in 2WD Suburbans hadn't blocked the road. had to get out and walk 8 miles.

[LucidMomentum]

Hey guys,

What's snow?

Sincerely, California.

[echo419]

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

Hey guys,

What's snow?

Sincerely, California.

it's like an earthquake... no wait it's not at all like that

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by echo419

here's the problem. it was ice not snow and everyone in the city left at the same time. literally. that number of people trying to flee the city in perfect weather is a problem. then I would say 60% of the people living from here are from Ohio. they thought since they're from an icebox like that it wouldn't be a problem. ice is ice. AWD/4WD doesn't matter. that's why hockey players wear skates. the the rest of the population has literally zero exp on ice. you see the trick is don't try and drive on ice. it doesn't work. and finally we just don't have the equipment. since it hardly happens once every 5-10 years spending all that money to store and keep all the necessary equipment just isn't worth it.

I would have made it home just fine had a bunch of soccer moms in 2WD Suburbans hadn't blocked the road. had to get out and walk 8 miles.

Oh, I understand the reasons but was still funny (in a sick twisted way) to me.
The same sort of thing can happen up here when it gets really hot and everybody gets distracted and drives like a moron. You guys would be all like "what is wrong with these people" as you buttoned up a jacket and put on a hat (you would laugh at what is considered "really hot" up here)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by LucidMomentum

Hey guys,

What's snow?

Sincerely, California.

Oh sure, rub it in!
The sad part is that where I am in Canada is actually south of a small part of California!

[GreenMonster]

Are the Turanza's that come on the FRS all-seasons or are they summer only like the primacy HPs that come on the brz?

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by STV3

I'm not saying its a good idea to. I'm just saying they aren't the worst tires I've ever driven on in the snow and they're are manageable.

Calling it manageable is probably misleading to people reading this thread if I'm understanding you correctly.

You said you barely made it up your driveway in 2" of snow. Imagine if you were going downhill on a public road surrounded by other cars and needed to stop to avoid a collision. Sliding down a hill with your foot on the brakes with stock tires in the snow is not really a manageable situation.

Nor is crab-walking up a hill at 1mph sideways with cars coming the opposite direction and behind you.

Is it doable without hitting other cars or getting stuck? Possibly with some luck. But a manageable situation? Not really.

[G-awesome]

I remember driving home to work once during a sudden heavy snowfall. Quite nerve-racking on stock primacy tires to say the least. I pretty much slid/drifted all the way home. Luckily, my route home was fairly flat. Slowly drifting in intersections to make left turns was kinda fun though! Since I couldn't get any traction whatsoever... :/

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I resurrected the sand bag thread so that you can decide which way to go.
The majority say no.

Now we just need someone to bump the "junk in the trunk" thread!!