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04-24-2014, 11:35 PM | #57 | |
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My point is that I'm not proud to be white, nor should I be. The color of my skin, or my heterosexuality, or the size of my shoes are things I have no control over, and thus being prideful of them to me just leads to exclusion between groups. My point is that undue pride, the idea of celebrating a thing we are, which we do not control, can and has led to some of the greatest injustices of our time. I'm not a fan of it regardless of the form.
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I'll note that I do understand your point, I just don't think pride is the right way people should label their love of their kind, regardless of kind. The ability of people to express their individualism -should- be equal, and when people of a certain group are excluded from the norms of society I think they should speak louder so that people can still hear them.
I've seen strong pride grow from many different people within different groups, some marginalized, some privileged. That pride is something that I don't like regardless of station. I started the debate based on the definition of the word, because I think that most clearly makes my point. Being pedantic is something I've never been accused of before, and I don't mean to imply that there aren't ways to bend the way the word pride is applied to the feeling of love and connection one has to the group they most closely identify with. I'm trying to say that pride is something I've seen used to separate more often than used to inspire. I don't think it best defines the feeling that the groups we are talking about have for one another, or their membership in that group which they have no choice but to join.
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This is also a ridiculous statement to make considering that my state governor is black. Poking holes in arguments is exactly what happens in a debate. Quote:
A vast majority of the institutions that have eliminated affirmative action efforts have led to decreased enrollment and employment of people of color. The only exception that I can think of at the moment is UC Berkeley with increased Asian enrollment. I hope you can resist the urge to roll out the Model Minority Myth. When it comes to the history of racism, I don't deal in opinions. Quote:
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White men built the systems and institutions that put them on top of the socio-economic hierarchy. This is not an opinion, but a statement of fact. Hell, it wasn't even until 1920 that white women were allowed to vote. This is also a fact. Whites in the past have been stacking the deck for whites in the future for centuries. Less stacking of the deck doesn't mean there's NO stacking of the deck. If anything, the deck is being stacked smarter, hence the Atwater quote. I'm not saying that ALL white people are to blame, but they all certainly benefit from it compared to their non-white socio-economic peers. Quote:
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Why's it my fault that you make them so easy to refute? Look, I'm no expert on racism(I know a few people that actually are), but I'm VERY knowledgeable on the subject. Just sayin |
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Nope wasn't forgotten. You win buddy.
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I mean, congratulations, but if I congratulate him for being elected into office in a historically pro-white country probably means I'm racist, and whites have secretly allowed this to happen so they can use it against the minorities in a carefully crafted plan to incite white supremacy laws. Yeah, nailed it... I'm not going to argue statistics because it can be twisted to prove nearly any point. I am only saying that irrefutable progress has been made, and black men holding positions in government is a solid step. I never said it's sufficient as-is, and have repeatedly made the point that there's more that needs to be done. Quote:
If a Black, Asian, White, whatever, is roughly qualified for a position, then its a perfect fit. If a black man is hired out of dozens of white applicants, then I'd hope it was for reasons of qualification and job performance, and that he wasn't hired just for the color of his skin. I'm only saying forcing race as the primary issue in and of itself is enough to perpetuate bitterness. What if he's grossly underqualified but is hired anyway because the employer has no choice. What if he does a terrible job and costs the company huge amounts of money. He doesn't respond well to training and the only solution is to fire him. Is that racist to fire him? I've see plenty of white people get fired, but never once is the "it's because I'm white" excuse used. No, they were fired because they were terrible at their job or they F'd up big. Every time it's a black person, the employer is afraid to fire them because they don't want it to be seen as a race thing. Quote:
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So, I give up, you win AznBRZer. Whether you're trolling me to flex your anti-white rhetoric or are truly as militant as you represent yourself, you've trounced all over this fragile topic and have defeated me, the evil white bigot. Here's your trophy. Last edited by wheelhaus; 04-25-2014 at 01:29 PM. |
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Dude why are you trying to start more sh*t. Grow up man. I didn't remove any context. I responded to one bit of what you said and then YOU responded out of context. When you said
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Go ahead and respond in some sort of smart a$$ way. I'm sure it will further your ego and show how right you are in a pointless thread about how racism is bad. Wow what an inciteful subject. No one knew. Go ahead and tell everyone again how white people are racist. Kill whitey!! The white man is keeping you down.
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Talking race relations on a forum based around primarily newly purchased cars with a $25k entry point. I luvs it. I hear lots of complaints, and no solutions. I would like to hear @AznBRZer 's solutions to race relations and where his authority on the subject came from.
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You wanna know why it's not the same thing? Because of shit like this: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/13/doll.study/ Talking about anti-white sentiment is like saying there's a war on christmas while standing next to a 40ft tall christmas tree with a table menorah next to it. Quote:
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Good job picking different parts of the conversation AGAIN. You get worked up fairly easily don't you? Chillax man.....it's just the internet.
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