Toyota FR-S : Official Name for the FT-86 Concept?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dark

Because guys above are talking about MR-S, I used MR-S nameplate. I hope FR-S will be used globally.

I know, I was just been sarcastic

[bigbcraig]

Originally Posted by Dark

Because guys above are talking about MR-S, I used MR-S nameplate. I hope FR-S will be used globally.

Since the info we've gotten is of "FR-S" being registered in US and Canada, I'm confident that FR-S will not be JDM-only as MR-S was.

[nate89]

The MR-S (spyder) is a different kind of sports car, like a miata or S2000. It's not in the same class as the MR2, supra, rx-7,R32-34 etc. I guess what I'm saying is it's more of a handling sports car vs the more classic raw-power sports cars.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by nate89

The MR-S (spyder) is a different kind of sports car, like a miata or S2000. It's not in the same class as the MR2, supra, rx-7,R32-34 etc. I guess what I'm saying is it's more of a handling sports car vs the more classic raw-power sports cars.

Really? Cuz Japan don't think so. They use em in Super GT 300 class along/against:
ASL: Garaiya
Austin Martin: V8 Vantage
BMW: Z4
Ferrari: F360 & F430
Ford: GT
Lamborghini: Murcielago & Gallardo
Lexus: IS350
Lotus: Exige
Mazda: Rx7 & Rx8
Nissan: 350z
Porsche: 968 & GT3
Subaru: Legacy & WRX
While, I sure don't see Mx5 or S2k in Super GT 300

MR-S is most underestimated car. A lot of think so less of em. Yes, it doesn't have Turbo like previous gen, but most of pro agree that MR-S's handling is better than previous gens.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by nate89

The MR-S (spyder) is a different kind of sports car, like a miata or S2000. It's not in the same class as the MR2, supra, rx-7,R32-34 etc. I guess what I'm saying is it's more of a handling sports car vs the more classic raw-power sports cars.

Isn't the MR-S an MR-2? Look at the chassis codes: AW10, SW20, ZZW30.

First letter is for engine codes used, 2nd is chassis (all W), numbers are generation.

[70NYD]

omg u ppl need to get ur panties out of a bunch. i was stating my opinion. anyone in marketing can take a car and call it a sports car.. i know the MR-S has awesome handling, better than a whole heap of more powerful cars, but from factory it did not come with a powerful engine (1.8L 100KW r u kidding me...) if it came with a 2zz engine stock it would have been a different story in my books. and you cannot have a sports car with a piss weak engine. again this is my opinion, but state another "sports" car from the same era that had a engine that was that weak from factory... (even some motorbikes are more powerfull..)

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

omg u ppl need to get ur panties out of a bunch. i was stating my opinion. anyone in marketing can take a car and call it a sports car.. i know the MR-S has awesome handling, better than a whole heap of more powerful cars, but from factory it did not come with a powerful engine (1.8L 100KW r u kidding me...) if it came with a 2zz engine stock it would have been a different story in my books. and you cannot have a sports car with a piss weak engine. again this is my opinion, but state another "sports" car from the same era that had a engine that was that weak from factory... (even some motorbikes are more powerfull..)

It's strange, but I heard they chose the 1zzfe instead of the 2zzge to, oddly enough, enhance the driving experience. Had to do with power delivery. Something like the old saying that people buy horsepower but drive torque. I don't know how I feel about that and it pertaining to the FR-S. But this new car is likely the FR incarnation of that one.

As for offering an exceptional handling sports car with a feeble (but easily swappable and upgradeable) powertrain is no bad thing in my book. Just leaves a little room for the hardcore. (Why pay for an expensive, mediocre engine that's just going to get yanked out anyways?)

[Dimman]

Oh, how about for the challenge instead of just power, list comparable power-to-weight cars?

[nate89]

They also use the corolla axio in GT300, just sayin...

The MR-S is a superb handeling car, I was thinking about picking one up when I heard the FR-S was rumored to be delayed. They corner like no other, but on the straights get taken (stock). When properly tuned with a decent turbo or engine swap and proper weight reduction, then the MR-S is definitely a contender.

Can we get back to talking about the FR-S?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

omg u ppl need to get ur panties out of a bunch. i was stating my opinion. anyone in marketing can take a car and call it a sports car.. i know the MR-S has awesome handling, better than a whole heap of more powerful cars, but from factory it did not come with a powerful engine (1.8L 100KW r u kidding me...) if it came with a 2zz engine stock it would have been a different story in my books. and you cannot have a sports car with a piss weak engine. again this is my opinion, but state another "sports" car from the same era that had a engine that was that weak from factory... (even some motorbikes are more powerfull..)

Yeah! That's right! Tell em! Tell em, MR-S was NA (cough cough TF300 series) & never came w Turbo factory (cough, cough TTE Turbo) w weak-ass 140hp (cough cough 184bhp)!!!!

[Dimman]

And they even turbo'd the Echo(Vitz) over there. If we don't immediately get a good motor, there will be options. As long as this motor gets an EJ designation it shouldn't be any problem to swap or mod.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

And they even turbo'd the Echo(Vitz) over there. If we don't immediately get a good motor, there will be options. As long as this motor gets an EJ designation it shouldn't be any problem to swap or mod.

Yeah, EJ is well known for Turbo so IF they didn't make Turbo ver, you know that after market companies gonna make it for em (just like 350z & S2k).

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah, EJ is well known for Turbo so IF they didn't make Turbo ver, you know that after market companies gonna make it for em (just like 350z & S2k).

Or someone's going to yank one out of a wrecked STi and stuff it in. Voila! It's magic time!

(Until their transmission blows up?)

What do you know about what kind of transmission they would use for this in RWD config? Won't be a North American one, all are AWD. Unless they just take out the center diff and front axles?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Or someone's going to yank one out of a wrecked STi and stuff it in. Voila! It's magic time!

(Until their transmission blows up?)

What do you know about what kind of transmission they would use for this in RWD config? Won't be a North American one, all are AWD. Unless they just take out the center diff and front axles?

Oh, you weren't sign up to hear that info. FT86 will be using Aisin AI tranny. Search "Tokyo Metapolis" and you'll find Hachiroku's thread on few faqs on FT86.

Anyways, US ver will be RWD. I'm betting that it's gonna have same bolt patter as current STI block. There's no benefit for Subaru to change the bolt patter on the block for Toyota, so Aisin AI will work around that.

I don't think swapping current STI engine isn't great idea on FT86. Engine drop in gonna be the easiest part... wiring is different story. You gotta be running full stand-alone to run it normal.

Also I think internal upgrade w bolt-on turbo gonna be cheaper & perform better than doing full STI swap.