Poor Sales of Toyota GT86/Scion FR-S Likely To Rule Out New Variants

[Astroboy]

I really think once it's gone, it'll help out the value on used ones. But I was actually hoping to trade mine in for one with less miles. Hopefully they will make one with a bigger, but not to big, moter and maybe that'll increase the sales.

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[reni]

I think everyone is missing the point that this comment is coming from Europe where the car is much more expensive compared to most other markets ($56,000 in Ireland for example), and nobody has the money to buy it because socialism.

[Wolfking]

Damn it! Now I gotta buy a Civic SI sedan ( again ) as a back up!

[raven1231]

Hey guys I also read an article that the world would end in 2012. Guess I better start preparing.....

[Muskokan]

Originally Posted by reni

I think everyone is missing the point that this comment is coming from Europe where the car is much more expensive compared to most other markets ($56,000 in Ireland for example), and nobody has the money to buy it because socialism.

it states that his figures includes frs sales stateside.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

You can go for an s2000 for the price of a used or new frs. If the buyer is serious about grassroots they would go for another car.

The point is if you buy an frs you really want the car because it means something to you. Not because it is a great buy

Okay now you're comparing used, out if warranty, roadsters (not very convenient might I add) to a very practical 2+2 sports car that can be driven all year round...much MUCH easier than an S2K. So what's out there (new) that's so much more practical, as much fun as these cars, and for less money?

The biggest point that I gave the big WTF to, was that you said they aren't "lookers". Are you kidding me?! That's been a pretty wide margin consensus positive to these cars from most journalist reviews and user reviews.

Finally, your point completely collapsed when you ended with the "86 will survive". Based on what? From what I've seen, sales figures are pretty even globally (if not in favor of NA).

Common' Man!!

[/END RANT]

[GT86meMR2]

Sure the car costs more here but is well equiped for its price compared to other cars.. especially compared to a german car.. but people in europe will rather pay 30000€ for a used german car for its "status" than an expensive toyota/subaru. No matter if the car is better or worse.. europeans love their badges...

[Deslock]

Automotive sites never sensationalize quotes

Take everything that isn’t an actual quote with a grain of salt... the only one this time is:

Originally Posted by Toyota’s European R&D boss Gerald Killmann

"A faster version of that car would be at the top of most people's wish lists, but like the cabriolet, it is hard to justify a business case to push either model into production based on the current sales,"

Maybe the FT86 is missing sales targets.

Or maybe it’s meeting targets, but Toyota/Subaru would need it to really take off before they could add variants. There's not a lot of profit in a relatively low volume vehicles at this price-point, and small RWD coupes are halo cars (lots of mainstream appeal, but few mainstream buyers).

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Anybody who thought this would follow a different trend from any other Japanese sports car built in the last fifteen years is delusional.

i.e. S2000, Miata, RX8

One of these is not like the other...

[ShadowSeraph]

Originally Posted by FRSure

Also harder to find parts support.

I beg to differ with the massive amount of aftermarket parts around and still growing... but at the same time if it isn't one of those parts, you will pay an arm or leg, fabricate, or hack it.

[guysmyley]

i have a brz. i love my brz. i waited as long as i could in hopes that the engine would get upgraded, but my old car died.

Originally Posted by airjonny

Another excuse from Toyota/Subaru (Albeit a decent one this time). The reason people are holding out on this car is because they are waiting for Toyota and/or Subaru to step up the power. Instead they've been giving us crap like....

-"Turbo doesn't fit" (MAKE IT FIT)
-"Car was meant for handling, feel etc.."
-"The tuners can make the car faster."
-"It'll cost too much"
-"It'll cannibalize STI sales" (BRZ is stepping on the WRX's toes on price)

Besides the Miata community, I have never seen a niche as well as a company advocate so hard for mediocre performance.

[ShadowSeraph]

This is fine, they can keep fewer on the road. I rarely see another one around my area or even pass through (1 every 3 or 5 months so far) and this kind of makes me feel like I am driving a "rare" hard to get car .

[Tt3Sheppard]

Only time will tell. Lets enjoy it while we have it.

[LBC Por Siempre]

Originally Posted by BRZmeMR2

Im not surprised this car doesent sell that good in europe. Only people who really want this car buy it here. Most of the people here would rather drive a bmw/mercedes/audi just for the badge alone. But i dont mind the car will just stay "rare" here this way

A LOT of competition for this segment in Europe for this style car that is for damn sure. I'm just grateful I don't live in some of The European Countries, cars cost too much. Sorry a little off topic there.

I like the look of that Cabriolet, reminds me of what a Topless Supra might look like just a little smaller.

I would love to see a Forced Version from the manufacturer, would undoubtedly be a Turbo. Just have a dial and turn up the boost.

Also I like the fact that some dude at the local AutoZone around the Block has an FR-S. Each time I have to park in that lot I always take a long look at that car. He always backs it in though, I prefer the rear end. Or just rear ends in general.