Catalytic converter warranty denial by Subaru. 100% Stock engine!

[TurboBrett]

Subaru is really shaping how people are going to (not) be public about tracking their cars, and obviously hurt their rep. as well. I can't imagine this is profitable for them in the long run.

Shame. Sorry to hear of your troubles CSG.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by TurboBrett

Subaru is really shaping how people are going to (not) be public about tracking their cars, and obviously hurt their rep. as well. I can't imagine this is profitable for them in the long run.

Shame. Sorry to hear of your troubles CSG.

They're having record growth and profits right now.

[TurboBrett]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

They're having record growth and profits right now.

Right, I meant if they steer just one or two people away, it will likely have cost them more. I was just stating the obvious and felt like piling on.

If you were an edge case that wasn't dealing with an already known issue it would be entirely a different matter. They just found a way to not pay for yours.

[thill]

Originally Posted by TurboBrett

Subaru is really shaping how people are going to (not) be public about tracking their cars, and obviously hurt their rep. as well. I can't imagine this is profitable for them in the long run.

Shame. Sorry to hear of your troubles CSG.

Subaru is not making very much money on the BRZ or WRX/STi platforms. It is on people buying Forrester's, Imprezza's, Crosstek's, etc.

If the couple hundred of so people who track their cars with gusto suddenly left the FT86 platform, I doubt Subaru would even care.

I don't agree with it, but the reality of the situation is that the vast majority of people who buy a BRZ or WRX will never take it to the track.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by thill

Subaru is not making very much money on the BRZ or WRX/STi platforms. It is on people buying Forrester's, Imprezza's, Crosstek's, etc.

If the couple hundred of so people who track their cars with gusto suddenly left the FT86 platform, I doubt Subaru would even care.

I don't agree with it, but the reality of the situation is that the vast majority of people who buy a BRZ or WRX will never take it to the track.

But the majority of those people are the CAR GUY for a lot of their friends, have you never been asked advice about what car Mary Sue down the street should look at? I was seriously considering trying to get my gf in a Forrester but now not so much, I know I've influenced a handful of car sales, usually more so than the guy getting paid the commission that day or selling the car. We have more of an effect than you give us credit for.

Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.

[regal]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

But the majority of those people are the CAR GUY for a lot of their friends, have you never been asked advice about what car Mary Sue down the street should look at? I was seriously considering trying to get my gf in a Forrester but now not so much, I know I've influenced a handful of car sales, usually more so than the guy getting paid the commission that day or selling the car. We have more of an effect than you give us credit for.

Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.

Pretty much sum's up Miatas 1 million vehicles sold, if the Miata had as many cases of total engine failures as this car it would have died a long time ago.

The latest reported DI failure/blown engine report was from a poor guy who was still in break-in and never even had the engine over 4k.

Good news is a free calibration will be shared that should help keep the car away from deadly detonation. Expected by the end of the month. It doesn't add Power or just fixes the crappy stock tune.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Story:

There was a member of this forum complaining about the local police harassing him. Going by just the information he posted on this forum, I found out where he lived, his name, a video on youtube of him doing "donuts" in the parking lot of a public park, the type of citation he received, where his case was heard, what he was convicted of, the amount of his fines and how many points he now has on his license. I also found out where he traded his car in because he could no longer afford insurance on the car. I know which member of this forum now owns that very car. All this took me about 1/2 hour of research.

I had no vested interest in his case other than curiosity. I have never used the information nor divulged any of this personal information but it is all easily accessible to anyone that wants or has the motivation to search.

Do you think Subaru was motivated to do a little research?

Be careful what you post on the internet.

Exactly. Subaru isn't the first either, they just followed suit. First cases I heard were from Mitsubishi using forums to deny claims to people who were tracking their cars. Then Nissan and people using launch control excessively on the GTR.

[andrew20195]

Originally Posted by regal

Pretty much sum's up Miatas 1 million vehicles sold, if the Miata had as many cases of total engine failures as this car it would have died a long time ago.

What are you talking about? The early 1.6l Miatas had crankshaft issues, and the early 1.8 Miatas had thrust bearing issues, both of which could result in "total engine failure" if not repaired immediately.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by andrew20195

What are you talking about? The early 1.6l Miatas had crankshaft issues, and the early 1.8 Miatas had thrust bearing issues, both of which could result in "total engine failure" if not repaired immediately.

The difference is, Mazda embraces grassroots motorsports, whereas Subaru keeps them away with a pitchfork.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by andrew20195

What are you talking about? The early 1.6l Miatas had crankshaft issues, and the early 1.8 Miatas had thrust bearing issues, both of which could result in "total engine failure" if not repaired immediately.

Did Mazda deny warranty claims? We're not saying that other manufacturers don't have problems, we're saying that the warranty service and marketing aren't aligning, there's a product being falsely advertised to some degree.

Edit: I was going to mention that Mazda would be my recommended brand at the moment due to their support of motorsports and they've taken care of the owners that I know of instead of some of the runaround I've seen around here from Subaru and Toyota (fuel pump and initial CEL issues?). I'm sure there's plenty of bad apple cases but it doesn't seem to be the prevailing perception like it is with Subaru.

[CSG Mike]

Mazda doesn't exactly advertise their cars as "track ready" or "ready to track" etc..

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Mazda doesn't exactly advertise their cars as "track ready" or "ready to track" etc..

I don't think any major manufacturer advertises "track ready".

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_tjM8eEqUo"]Mazda commercial - YouTube[/ame]

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I don't think any major manufacturer advertises "track ready".

http://www.media.subaru.com/newsrele...7%26%238206%3B

With 2+2 seating and a folding rear seat, there is sufficient cargo space to transport four race tires and tools to track days.

Seeking a pure sports car for road and track driving, Subaru followed a purist approach to engineering the 2013 BRZ.

A standard Torsen® limited-slip differential helps the inside wheel maintain traction during hard cornering. For track driving, the standard Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) stability and traction control system (TCS) offers the driver five different settings, including a Sport mode and a TCS Off switch for track driving activities.

Drivers who enjoy slalom or track events can also fold the rear seatback and have room for four wheels, a helmet and basic supplies and still have room for the front passenger

The five-mode driver-selectable Vehicle Stability Control (VSC) system and traction control system allows the driver the tailor the system to conditions and performance needs; stability and traction control can be disengaged for track driving events, for example.

They mention the track quite a bit... it's strongly implicated.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

http://www.media.subaru.com/newsrele...7%26%238206%3B
They mention the track quite a bit... it's strongly implicated.

My memory fades fast, thanks for that.