BRZ vs. Prelude Si vs. S2000. . . Initial Thoughts

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

We could build a time machine for a gazillion dollars or buy an FRS+bolt ons for $35k. Looks like we've both chosen the latter. :happy0180:

I own a S2k

It's a superior car when it comes to what I'm looking for. I plan on going beyond just basic bolt-ons, but not build a full blown track/race car. It's just going to be a very... high performance street car.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Jawnathin

Question about the oil starvation. I'm curious why would this be driver error? My understanding was that under high G loads, the oil would slosh away from the oil pick up and the motor would starve and the fix for that was to install some baffle or windage tray to reduce/prevent the sloshing and keep the oil near the pump. This is what my S2000s friends have said.

Anyway, I think the point was made. Pushing a car on the track will expose weaknesses that won't occur in a normal street car. A car that is regularly tracked will see additional wear, tear, and stress even on what we'd consider to be non-wear items. I just disagreed with whoever it was, that singled out the 86 twins as requiring more maintenance, when that is the norm for almost all cars.

S2000's don't have oil starve issues unless you're in a S2000 with slicks and HUGE aero. Chances are your friends lost motors because they didn't watch their oil levels, if that's what they're saying. S2000's need a catch can, and will lose oil through the PCV when you go through a long left sweeper followed by a right. Easy fix is to drill holes in the head cover baffle by the pcv exits.

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You really need to drive a car that we've set up. They universally corner faster than S2000s at a bolt-on level.

Lack of horsepower is really what's holding them back, but for under 10k, you can make a DEADLY car.

BRZ/FRS
CSG spec Tein SRC
RPF1 + RS3
Innovate supercharger

Just imagine the possibilities...

I will see you soon enough... we'll see what these Teins are all about.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

I will see you soon enough... we'll see what these Teins are all about.

We can do JRZ if that's more your flavor....

[ayau]

The engine is pretty good at seizing up too.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by ayau

The engine is pretty good at seizing up too.

F2xC or FA20. A couple FA20s have already eaten themselves that way.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

F2xC or FA20. A couple FA20s have already eaten themselves that way.

FA20 of course.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by ayau

The engine is pretty good at seizing up too.

You have no idea how much pain this causes me... SoA is giving us the runaround and ultimately I get to take the blame... yet again.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You have no idea how much pain this causes me... SoA is giving us the runaround and ultimately I get to take the blame... yet again.

That's the final word? Your fault?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

That's the final word? Your fault?

The owners of CSG are getting to the point where they've decided the downtime is not worth the battle if it drags on any longer.

We've been doing some R&D via friend/client cars, but we can't exactly do what we want to do with a car that is not owned by the shop. Nor do I want to take ANY risk of wrecking at the track with their cars...

Subaru has not acknowledged any factory errors or defects. In fact, they've, thus far, refused to even look further into the issue, at least, according to what they're telling us.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The owners of CSG are getting to the point where they've decided the downtime is not worth the battle if it drags on any longer.

We've been doing some R&D via friend/client cars, but we can't exactly do what we want to do with a car that is not owned by the shop. Nor do I want to take ANY risk of wrecking at the track with their cars...

Subaru has not acknowledged any factory errors or defects. In fact, they've, thus far, refused to even look further into the issue, at least, according to what they're telling us.

So is your BRZ/FR-S development over or will a new engine or chassis be purchased?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Jawnathin

My friends haven't lost motors. They were sharing some of the issues reported on cars that have been tracked and it did come up a few times in my research.

Catch cans will help with oil ingestion but won't help with starvation. A revised oil pan, pump pick up, baffle, windage tray, or more oil capacity will be needed to prevent that.

The starvation simply isn't there. While the engine takes about 5.5L, it'll run just fine on 3.5L (but obviously not recommended).

[ayau]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The owners of CSG are getting to the point where they've decided the downtime is not worth the battle if it drags on any longer.

We've been doing some R&D via friend/client cars, but we can't exactly do what we want to do with a car that is not owned by the shop. Nor do I want to take ANY risk of wrecking at the track with their cars...

Subaru has not acknowledged any factory errors or defects. In fact, they've, thus far, refused to even look further into the issue, at least, according to what they're telling us.

Why don't I see CSG development in the Miata? Is the market too saturated?
Time to ditch the ft86 platform?

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The owners of CSG are getting to the point where they've decided the downtime is not worth the battle if it drags on any longer.

We've been doing some R&D via friend/client cars, but we can't exactly do what we want to do with a car that is not owned by the shop. Nor do I want to take ANY risk of wrecking at the track with their cars...

Subaru has not acknowledged any factory errors or defects. In fact, they've, thus far, refused to even look further into the issue, at least, according to what they're telling us.

Sucks to hear. While I don't own a Subaru (well....kind of), this is still incredably frustrating and makes my blood boil! If the engine had been modified, I could understand, but from what it sounds like, it was just driven hard. With a new car, it SHOULD NOT fail that quickly!