Full throttle Electric Supercharger Build Thread

[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by utekineir

The appeal to this for me over a header/tune is the dealer apsect. Yank in a half hour and appear stock in the case of issues. This is only a year old platform, nobody has seen yet what issues may crop up over a longer period of time, fi or na.

If i wanted to dump in 30+ grand on a rwd sports car with no warranty a c5/6 or cayman would fit that bill far better than a brz/frs and mods. For most people this isn't a race car. Its a sporty car, with some dd usability and good economy at a suitable price point.

I have one moneypit toy, don't need 2 (even though its starting to look like that will be the end result).

does anyone even drive eclipses in 2013?

You're going to need to tune this to run it safely, a tune can still void your warranty. A dealer will judge this the same as a turbo or supercharger, forcing air to create more power can cause premature failure of parts. So I really get what you're trying to get at but it still doesn't make sense. You can run this thing with no tune and be at a 17:1 AFR and blow your motor up or you can run it with a tune and the dealer can still see that your reflash counter has changed.

I bought my car fully intending to keep it stock. Then my wife said "it's too quiet" and that opened the flood gates. The car begs for mods.

Technically no, I haven't driven my eclipse in almost two years because of the build project. It will also crush my BRZ on the street or track. 115mph quarter mile. It's not a DD, but good try.

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

You're going to need to tune this to run it safely, a tune can still void your warranty. A dealer will judge this the same as a turbo or supercharger, forcing air to create more power can cause premature failure of parts. So I really get what you're trying to get at but it still doesn't make sense. You can run this thing with no tune and be at a 17:1 AFR and blow your motor up or you can run it with a tune and the dealer can still see that your reflash counter has changed.

I bought my car fully intending to keep it stock. Then my wife said "it's too quiet" and that opened the flood gates. The car begs for mods.

Technically no, I haven't driven my eclipse in almost two years because of the build project. It will also crush my BRZ on the street or track. 115mph quarter mile. It's not a DD, but good try.

The bits early on in this thread talking about no tune being used were throwing me off. Has that stance changed in the last however many pages?

We didn't need another car, but the gf said she wanted a convertible, i said miata, she said ok. So one night when she went to a movie with a friend i bought this.

I'd really hope your worked eclipse is faster. My forester (vf39 pretty much all boltons, handling bits, etc, pretty much modded sti minus no 6 speed and dccd) is far faster than the frs, doesn't handle quite as well, but its a station wagon the ft86 cog will never be matched by it, and theres still suspension work left on the table.

These aren't "fast" cars. They fill their design intent and spot in the market. The potential is there, but i still think its kinda silly to take a new car and ruin what you buy a new car for (reliability, warranty). The early info on this looked to fit into that gap nicely.

Mostly it would just be cool not to cry every time i get on the highway.

[NoFear99]

I wonder if it will be a pain in the ass to fit this kit with an aftermarket intake ?

I have an Afe Takeda and I want this kit but I dont want to have to reinstall the stock airbox onto the car...

With my full 2.5 inches exhaust system, intake + Ecutek tune at sea level I'm sure this kit could boost my car from 190WHP to a solid 225-230WHP same numbers as the vortech supercharge kit with Perrin exhaust and Borla UEL header on this video : [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj20JfV8MSI"]Scion FRS Borla UEL Header - YouTube[/ame]

[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by utekineir

The bits early on in this thread talking about no tune being used were throwing me off. Has that stance changed in the last however many pages?

We didn't need another car, but the gf said she wanted a convertible, i said miata, she said ok. So one night when she went to a movie with a friend i bought this.

I'd really hope your worked eclipse is faster. My forester is far faster than my frs.

These aren't "fast" cars. They fill their design intent and spot in the market. The potential is there, but i still think its kinda silly to take a new car and ruin what you buy a new car for (reliability, warranty).

It would be cool not to cry every time i get on the highway though.

I love foresters! I hung out with the shop that builds the sti foresters quite a bit in WA.

No car for 30k is fast if its new. I shopped the caymans but to get a new or slightly used I was looking at $60-70k+, the BRZ with some mods was a better value once mpg, maintainance, and insurance was factored in.

The charts posted on page 1 shows AFR without a tune, does a 17:1 sound safe to you? I was scolded by the op and he let me know "that's without a tune stoopid, with a tune it's a safe 12:1" of course I'm paraphrasing but you can scroll up and find it.

[utekineir]

tbh, i hadn't exactly done much reading other than hp gain, quick install, $1500 range

[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by utekineir

tbh, i hadn't exactly done much reading other than hp gain, quick install, $1500 range

That's dangerous. That's what I'm trying to prevent.

[Dustin2JZ]

Look Wonderbar, this has all gotten out of hand ever since you came in saying this is the same as nitrous.

Now, while I'm not one that likes to insult, if you didn't want to be insulted you shouldn't have tried to communicate on the internet
(people get real big behind their keyboards and monitors.)

I think the whole deal with people "violently" defending this kit as you say, is that it is proving to be a very nice option for several things. Daily driven cars is one of those. we have not seen this thing in action on a track so who is to say how it will do.

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

The charts posted on page 1 shows AFR without a tune, does a 17:1 sound safe to you? I was scolded by the op and he let me know "that's without a tune stoopid, with a tune it's a safe 12:1" of course I'm paraphrasing but you can scroll up and find it.

And you still have not read this information very well.

The 17:1 AFR was with stock tune and NO SUPERCHARGER. as in it was getting 17:1 Bone Stock. (probably because of his higher altitude)

after adding the super charger with the stock tune it put it at 12:1
Sounds safe to me.

[Gary in NJ]

Originally Posted by Calum

Check the boost plot in this graph.

Yes, the boost starts at 4.0 (like I said) and yes, it does tapper to 1.6 (like you said). I'd call that a wash.

More importantly is that the engine is producing a consistent 35+ additional horsepower throughout the rev range. The boost generated in the torque valley is 4.0 to 3.0 psi. After that, I couldn't really care less what it does. I'm looking at the eCharger as a simple means to eliminate the torque valley.

[DAEMANO]

[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Of course, god help you have to address any differing opinions. It's much easier when everyone is agreeing with everyone else.

[NoFear99]

Stop feeding

[Wonderbar]

Originally Posted by Gary in NJ

Yes, the boost starts at 4.0 (like I said) and yes, it does tapper to 1.6 (like you said). I'd call that a wash.

More importantly is that the engine is producing a consistent 35+ additional horsepower throughout the rev range. The boost generated in the torque valley is 4.0 to 3.0 psi. After that, I couldn't really care less what it does. I'm looking at the eCharger as a simple means to eliminate the torque valley.

Header+tune does that when you aren't WOT.

[Dustin2JZ]

Originally Posted by Wonderbar

Header+tune does that when you aren't WOT.

So why couldn't you do both.


And aren't both around the same price. Personally. The ESC has more cool factor than headers.

And can keep the completely pointless posts, like the few above these, to a minimum. This thread is crowded enough without them.

[Wonderbar]

I did misread Fenton's post about the AFR in the first post, he does say that 17:1 is NA with no tune. Although I'd be interested to see other AFR charts from NA cars to verify that.

I'm not offended by the insults, I just think if you're trying to promote and sell a product then it's the absolute wrong way to make friends who will support your product.