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[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by solidONE

I can deal with that.

Then there may be hope...

[FRSfan111]

Originally Posted by Kiske

Mike, mind if I pick your brain on this? You have me very intrigued.

On a bike iirc when you coast you loose stability though a turn. I assume you would translate this into body roll and excessive weight transfer with a car on the track?

-K

Not positive I understand exactly what you mean. But if you go into a corner and ur back end starts to loose grip assuming u are not currently foot to the floor, add a little bit of throttle and you will transfer weight to the rear creating more grip and preventing a spin. This is why we throttle at the apex. Now late apex and double apex turns just take practice. In a car it's all about where the weight is shifted too. Having 4 wheels instead of 2 allows for more options IMO. But I was never big on bikes.

[kavanagh]

I'm 6'3", 250 lbs - I'm big on bikes.

edit: oh man, that was lame

[FRSfan111]

Originally Posted by kavanagh

I'm 6'3", 250 lbs - I'm big on bikes.

edit: oh man, that was lame

Lmao, I'm 6'3" 180lbs. But my father was put in a coma for 3 months because some one ran a stop sign and plowed into him. Because of that its just never been my thing. I love em but I'd rather have steel around me cause you can't trust people to be anything but stupid and reckless. No offense to anyone here.

[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

Lmao, I'm 6'3" 180lbs. But my father was put in a coma for 3 months because some one ran a stop sign and plowed into him. Because of that its just never been my thing. I love em but I'd rather have steel around me cause you can't trust people to be anything but stupid and reckless. No offense to anyone here.

You are spot on brother. I pretend that I'm a target everyday. Training classes were super helpful and should really be required for bikers. Hell, even for cagers.


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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Kiske

Mike, mind if I pick your brain on this? You have me very intrigued.

On a bike iirc when you coast you loose stability though a turn. I assume you would translate this into body roll and excessive weight transfer with a car on the track?

-K

Coasting is coasting. It's more or less the same on both. If you coast, you have no control of that rear tire.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by solidONE

Okay, maybe I need to explain why I think it's BS. Specially for me. We spend all that time and effort prepping our cars, reading books, articles, watching video, visualizing in our heads all for the desire to go, you guessed it...., fast. Finally one day we make it happen. Our chance to go fast in our car comes. That day we wake our asses up 4-5am in the morning, or sometimes even lose sleep the day prior, drive our asses down to the dessert, anticipating our time on a race track. We wanna go fast, period. As fast as we can. That is the whole point of even going through all that to get our asses there. To know whether or not we are going fast, or at very least faster than last time, we're going to have to check our lap times. So... how can any of us not worry about lap times? Impossible. Even when people say "Lap times doesnt matter." Maybe "worry" is not the right word, but it matters. Matters a whole lot. It matter enough that you put all that time, money and effort to get to the track.

I'm not sure how long ago you were a newb, or whether if you did all the right things to be relatively fast from the get go, always improving, but... Point is, it matters a lot regardless your skill level if you have any sort of passion for this stuff.

Fact of the matter is, you're car is not prepped, and you've not yet attained the experience to discern what you read on the internet is accurate, and what is not. There are a lot of people that sound like they know what they're talking about, but actually do not.

To me, fast is a byproduct. I want to learn to set up cars and control them better. My objective is not fast, but fun.

Look at your own post history. You talk a lot of theory, but have very little actual execution.


If your goal is to go fast, well, you're gonna learn the hard way.

Wanna know a secret? Guys that hire me for 1 day to get as fast as they can in one day... I tell them to leave the stability control on. It results in a faster lap time, every time.

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Fact of the matter is, you're car is not prepped, and you've not yet attained the experience to discern what you read on the internet is accurate, and what is not. There are a lot of people that sound like they know what they're talking about, but actually do not.

To me, fast is a byproduct. I want to learn to set up cars and control them better. My objective is not fast, but fun.

Look at your own post history. You talk a lot of theory, but have very little actual execution.


If your goal is to go fast, well, you're gonna learn the hard way.

Wanna know a secret? Guys that hire me for 1 day to get as fast as they can in one day... I tell them to leave the stability control on. It results in a faster lap time, every time.

Wow that's harsh, Mike. I've been working on and with cars for a bit. While not very proficient with one on track yet. I think I have a decent idea how a car works.

What would you consider as prepped for stock class with your rules?

My setup:

Added camber from bolts all 4 corners maximum adjustment except for RR.
w/o driver in seat:
FL: -1.8 FR:-2.0
RL: -0.8 RR:-1.3
Front toe:0 Rear toe: 1/16"~1/32" in

Pads, Brake/Trans/Diff Fluids.
RS-3 225 on stock wheels.
Drop in filter. Track pipe.
Air/Oil Separator.
3-pt 4130 Strut bar

Want to add:
Oil cooler. for the upcomming 100+ track temps.
19-20mm front sway to decrease roll.

To me , fast or quick (not necessarily 500+ HPS 200MPH monster machines a miata or FR-S will do) and control is the goal, setting up cars is what we do to help get there. And it's all fun when things are progressing in a positive manner.

So you are recommending VSC on, it sounds like. Some say off other say on. If leaving VSC on will help me be smoother, that is exactly what I'll do.

Chuckwalla was the first time I did not see any progress in terms driving or riding ability or lap times. Actually regressed. So I guess you can say it was the least fun I had on a racetrack. lol Still fun, but depressing at the same time. I hope to change that with some pointers and instruction. My friend with the Cayman S OTOH he was hitting all his goals for that day getting faster each session out. Ended with a 2:08 flat on KW V3, some beat up used mismatching RS-3's, sway bar, and some alignment tweeks he did in his garage himself. Now, he had a lot of fun at Chuck's.

Edit: I want to add that my second track day with this car you drove my car a few laps with me in it. You did not say much, but you did suggest that I turn the TC completely off (as did the previous coach did at buttonwillow)IIRC. I was not able to learn much from the experience due to lack of communication verbally and the huge difference in our pace (super fast vs super slow). You seem to be pushing the car pretty hard as evidenced by the constant corrections with steering you were making. All I got from that was "damn that guy is fucking fast" Clocked you at 1:33 with harry's timer. I personally did a 1:38.9 before the heat got to me (113 degrees ambient when I checked) and headed home. No videos doe to the overheating iphone. Car only had RS3 225 (same set I used at chucks) on RPF1 17x8, a set of camber bolts, and about 2500 miles on the ODO nothing else.

[Thongpocket]

With a car that has near stock power; do you think a 245/40/17 on a lightweight wheel would be better than a 265/35/18 on a slightly heavier version of the same wheel? I keep hearing that I should go with 225 instead of a wider tire. Any thoughts?

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[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by solidONE

So you are recommending VSC on, it sounds like. Some say off other say on. If leaving VSC on will help me be smoother, that is exactly what I'll do.

VSC on won't help you to be smoother. Only YOU can make yourself smoother. VSC allows you to probe the limits of the car further without having to worry about saving the car when the car is pushed too far. Constantly bumping into VSC tells you that you're not driving smoothly.

[smbstyle]

Originally Posted by Thongpocket

With a car that has near stock power; do you think a 245/40/17 on a lightweight wheel would be better than a 265/35/18 on a slightly heavier version of the same wheel? I keep hearing that I should go with 225 instead of a wider tire. Any thoughts?

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225 sticky tire on a 17x8 or even a r-comp 215. Don't bother with a 245; it's a bad idea for track use on stock power, 265 is a worse idea.

I'm running a 215 NT01 and it has TONS of grip for a stock power car, and I am pushing the car hard, and consider myself an advanced driver.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Thongpocket

With a car that has near stock power; do you think a 245/40/17 on a lightweight wheel would be better than a 265/35/18 on a slightly heavier version of the same wheel? I keep hearing that I should go with 225 instead of a wider tire. Any thoughts?

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Originally Posted by smbstyle

225 sticky tire on a 17x8 or even a r-comp 215. Don't bother with a 245 is a bad for track use on stock power, 265 is a worse idea.

I'm running a 215 NT01 and it has TONS of grip for a stock power car, and I am pushing the car hard, and consider myself an advanced driver.

For stock power, EHP tires of 225 width has been very successful for our cars and our clients' cars. With R-comps, 215 is almost as wide as a 225 EHP tire. It works quite well.

[Thongpocket]

225/45/17 Hankook RS3's it is! Thanks!!

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[CSG David]

Originally Posted by solidONE

Okay, maybe I need to explain why I think it's BS. Specially for me. We spend all that time and effort prepping our cars, reading books, articles, watching video, visualizing in our heads all for the desire to go, you guessed it...., fast. Finally one day we make it happen. Our chance to go fast in our car comes. That day we wake our asses up 4-5am in the morning, or sometimes even lose sleep the day prior, drive our asses down to the dessert, anticipating our time on a race track. We wanna go fast, period. As fast as we can. That is the whole point of even going through all that to get our asses there. To know whether or not we are going fast, or at very least faster than last time, we're going to have to check our lap times. So... how can any of us not worry about lap times? Impossible. Even when people say "Lap times doesnt matter." Maybe "worry" is not the right word, but it matters. Matters a whole lot. It matter enough that you put all that time, money and effort to get to the track.

I'm not sure how long ago you were a newb, or whether if you did all the right things to be relatively fast from the get go, always improving, but... Point is, it matters a lot regardless your skill level if you have any sort of passion for this stuff.

I haven't timed my laps in over a year.

Learning how to drive based on theory without application is like this example:

You want to learn how to swim so you learn all the theory behind every single stroke and technique possible to be the best swimmer in the world. What happens if you decide to actually put all that knowledge to work and finally immerse yourself into a pool? Are you going to turn into a Michael Phelps and win multiple Olympic Gold Medals?

The moral of this story is to show that whether or not you have the best knowledge in the world, it doesn't matter when you start executing and applying it. Application helps you understand that theory better. Your body does not know how to respond or react to these situations yet. Only your mind knows. Because of that, you need to train your body to respond exactly to what your mind wants you to do. With that said, we hope to see you out on track more.