Scion First 86 FR-S Winners Registry

[terrypm]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Yes, special release numbers. I have no proof other than their word though. Perhaps we'll learn more next weekend.

I would also hope our first 86 cars would have vin numbers 1-86 also. They are called the "First 86" right?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by terrypm

I would also hope our first 86 cars would have vin numbers 1-86 also. They are called the "First 86" right?

We should be able to tell from the VIN which one we got (1 - 86) but I don't know that they will be numbered that way, and they may not even be sequential.

I'm not sure how VINs work when you build multiple "brands" on the same assembly line. I suppose it would be possible we could have holes in the sequence, and it may start somewhere other than 1. I don't think the VIN identifies the brand, it identifies the manufacturer.

Here's what I was able to find after a quick search:

NHTSA and ISO Standard Comparison
ISO Standard
VIN Position
NHTSA
WMI
1-3
WMI
VDS
4-8
VDS
9
Check Digit
VIS
10
Year
11
Manufacturing Plant
12-17
Sequential Number
<500 vehicles
Manufacturer Identifier
12-14
Manufacturer Identifier
Sequential Number
15-17
Sequential Number

Components of a VIN

Positions 1-3: WMI (World Manufacturer Identifier)

This is an alpha-numeric, three digit code that occupies positions one through three of the VIN. It identifies the manufacturer and country of origin of the vehicle. The first digit of the WMI tells you the general geographic area of manufacturer. The second designates the country of origin. The third digit designates the manufacturer. In addition, from 1981 to 2010 the third digit is used to indicate the category of vehicle.

For manufacturers producing < 500 of a given type of vehicle annually, the third digit of the WMI will be “9”, and will not uniquely identify the manufacturer. In these cases, the 12th -14th digits will also be assigned by a regulatory body, and will need to be considered along with the WMI to uniquely identify the manufacturer of the vehicle.

Positions 4-8: VDS (Vehicle Descriptor Section)

The fourth to eighth digits are set aside to capture descriptive elements of the vehicle. This is the meat of the VIN from a decoding standpoint. Almost all of the valuable information encoded in a VIN is found here. However, some elements of the vehicle captured are left to the manufacturer. Complicating things further, each manufacturer has a unique system of encoding information into the VIN. The amount and type of information varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. However, some common data is always captured including engine, body type, restraint system and GVW Range(for Light Duty Vehicles and MPV's)

For MY2010 forward, all light duty/passenger vehicles are required to use the 4th digit to identify the category of vehicle.

Position 9: The Check Digit / Vehicle Checksum

The ninth digit of the VIN is used to provide a check digit that can used to verify the validity of an encountered VIN using a calculation. The check digit can be any number between one and nine, as well as “X” which represents the number ten for calculation purposes. In VIN decoders it is used, along with a check for characters I, O and Q, to determine if a VIN is valid. While only required in North America, it is utilized extensively abroad.

Position 10: Model Year

The model year is required to be captured in the 10th digit for all US vehicles. There are 30 characters approved for use in position 10 (I,O,Q,U,Z and 0 are excluded). Since the VIN Standard has been in use for over 30 years one should consider the 7th digit to determine the vehicles model year. If the 7th digit is numeric the model year is between 1981 and 2009. If it is an alpha character it is MY2010 or later.

Position 11: The Manufacturing Plant

The eleventh digit is used to identify the specific plant and plant location that the vehicle was manufactured in.

Position 12-17: The Serial Number

This is the sequentially assigned final portion of the VIN. In cases of small manufacturers, less than 500 vehicles annually, digits 12-14 are assigned to uniquely identify the manufacturer.

[terrypm]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I'm not sure how VINs work when you build multiple "brands" on the same assembly line. I suppose it would be possible we could have holes in the sequence, and it may start somewhere other than 1. I don't think the VIN identifies the brand, it identifies the manufacturer.


Position 12-17: The Serial Number

This is the sequentially assigned final portion of the VIN. In cases of small manufacturers, less than 500 vehicles annually, digits 12-14 are assigned to uniquely identify the manufacturer.

I am thinking our cars should be among the first made for import into the US for retail sale so the VIN should be real low. We do get our cars about a month before anyone else.
There will be a different unique digit in the vins of the BRZ and FR-S cars to distinguish between the two car brands (the 3rd digit in the vin), aka a Chevy and GMC truck built on the same assembly line.

I have wishful thinking the 12th through 17th digits of our vins would be from 000001 to 000086. I would rather have a "first 86" vin number than a dash plaque.

But I would be satisfied if the vin number were < 000150.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by terrypm

I have wishful thinking the 12th through 17th digits of our vins would be from 000001 to 000086. I would rather have a "first 86" vin number than a dash plaque.

But I would be satisfied if the vin number were < 000150.

I figured we get the low VIN either way because, like you say, it should be the first 86 for the US, but an additional number plate would be nice.

Honestly, I'd just as soon not get #1 though. I'm gonna ride this pony until its ready for the glue factory, and will eat up any "special" value the serial number might have.


With #1 I'd feel guilty about it, but I'd still do it. Maybe I need to build a frame-off restoration fund into the operating cost!

[terrypm]

This is what another manufacturer did with vin #00001 and #00002.
The buyer, Mr H also mentions he bought #00001 of the 2010 coupe and #00001 of the 2011 convertible.

[OrbitalEllipses]

You may remove me from the list; I received word from Beyond that THEY received word I cancelled my trip. Honestly, works out better for me. I'm not intent on buying this car and I'd prefer it go to someone else.

Have fun in Long Beach guys!

[chate]

wth just randomly sent u a msg that ur out??

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by chate

wth just randomly sent u a msg that ur out??

Not entirely random; in any case there's no need for concern. I wasn't planning on buying and my schedule was tough for a trip that weekend. I'm happy someone else can get the spot.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Not entirely random; in any case there's no need for concern. I wasn't planning on buying and my schedule was tough for a trip that weekend. I'm happy someone else can get the spot.

Well, sorry to see you off the list regardless. I'm sure it made someone's day though.

[_hollywood]

Im so pumped up for long beach, honestly its what i need to stay focused on buying this car, the wait has honestly been too long now, and of course im coming across insane deals on cars,bikes i wanted for this summer, but i am holding out for my black 86 to come rolling off the trailer, and hoping that first test drive puts a smile on my face

Just a little longer guys

[MarkRacerX]

Yeah me too, coming right up Next Week, Woop Woop !!!!!! Bring on some Heat, Cool Cars and a nice get away for us all - Thank you SCION !!!!!

[chate]

shit its supposed to rain on friday the 6th...does fmla drift still race in rain??

7 days!!! WOOOT

[UriarteMD]

Originally Posted by chate

shit its supposed to rain on friday the 6th...does fmla drift still race in rain??

7 days!!! WOOOT

I hope so! It'd break my heart if it got canceled!

[luxmn]

Not sure if I understand you, they will cancel a drifting competition because of rain? Lol get ready for some splashing friends see you all there