Injector / seal failure or Miss-fire codes.. please post here

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by RAWR BRZ

So apparently Subaru Corporate is aware of the issue and is working on a fix either ECU or new DI design (they have to fix it for 2014). However since there is no fix yet there is no TSB (bulletin) on it yet. They also pulled the cricket noise TSB because it temporarily fixes the issue and it comes right back. Theyre working on a solution that will fix both.


... first case of this issue recognized by Corporate Subaru was in South Africa (which is generally hotter than here in the states).

What evidence do you have that SOA has acknowledged the Injector seal issue and are working on a fix?

Also I need to correct you about South Africa. That was not Subaru, it was Toyota who released a service bulletin which included an ecu update that corrects the transient ignition retard tables.

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by RAWR BRZ

Thats no where as bad as some cars have seen. I may even call yours just "more aggressive street driving"




I dont believe they are readily available since there is people waiting weeks for them to be shipped from Japan. They also seem pretty pricey.



Anything to do with power/engine is stock unless drop in air filter by HKS counts... Stock intake, stock engine (no pulleys etc.) stock headers all the way to the mufflers.


Ok update:

So apparently Subaru Corporate is aware of the issue and is working on a fix either ECU or new DI design (they have to fix it for 2014). However since there is no fix yet there is no TSB (bulletin) on it yet. They also pulled the cricket noise TSB because it temporarily fixes the issue and it comes right back. Theyre working on a solution that will fix both. Now the big problem for us is that since there is no TSB, Subaru Dealers dont know what is going on because they base everything off the TSB. So you have popping noise? Subaru Dealers check the TSB, no TSB for popping noise. Popping noise is considered "normal." Now we all know that isn't normal and they know it isnt too but the dealership can't really do anything unless your engine blows. IF your engine blows Subaru Corporate HAS to cover your engine because they are aware of the issue and dont have a fix for it yet. I find it very weird why they rather have engine's blow up and replaced rather than replacing the seals to "temporarily fix the issue." The latter seems like a cheaper alternative. Now I could pay out of pocket (150 quoted by my dealer) for a diagnostic fee. I dont know exactly what they will do but if they do find a leaking DI seal they will warranty it and refund the 150. Now the dealer can screw me over and say "oh its your drop in air filter and once we put in a stock one the popping noise stops." Then they make away with my 150 for what is essentially a BS diagnostic. It seems like if we dont want our engine to blow up or be replaced we need dealers and corporate Subaru to be aware that this issue isnt just a small population of owners. It seems as if Toyota is willing to replace the seals while Subaru isnt willing to do anything unless we pay for diagnostic or after our engine blows...

Personally I believe this issue isnt just because of tracking the car. I believe it is also heat related. The first case of this issue recognized by Corporate Subaru was in South Africa (which is generally hotter than here in the states). During that time we were facing Winter and Spring months. Now that it is Summer, this issue is all over the place now. It is appearing whether a person tracks their car or uses it as their daily driver.

With all that said I would really like Subaru to fix this issue rather than have me drive my car around until the engine blows. I really don't like the idea of having the dealer work on my car, or worse... swap out my engine.

So you saying that even Ud we fix this the issue will persist

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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by RAWR BRZ

Thats no where as bad as some cars have seen. I may even call yours just "more aggressive street driving"




I dont believe they are readily available since there is people waiting weeks for them to be shipped from Japan. They also seem pretty pricey.



Anything to do with power/engine is stock unless drop in air filter by HKS counts... Stock intake, stock engine (no pulleys etc.) stock headers all the way to the mufflers.


Ok update:

So apparently Subaru Corporate is aware of the issue and is working on a fix either ECU or new DI design (they have to fix it for 2014). However since there is no fix yet there is no TSB (bulletin) on it yet. They also pulled the cricket noise TSB because it temporarily fixes the issue and it comes right back. Theyre working on a solution that will fix both. Now the big problem for us is that since there is no TSB, Subaru Dealers dont know what is going on because they base everything off the TSB. So you have popping noise? Subaru Dealers check the TSB, no TSB for popping noise. Popping noise is considered "normal." Now we all know that isn't normal and they know it isnt too but the dealership can't really do anything unless your engine blows. IF your engine blows Subaru Corporate HAS to cover your engine because they are aware of the issue and dont have a fix for it yet. I find it very weird why they rather have engine's blow up and replaced rather than replacing the seals to "temporarily fix the issue." The latter seems like a cheaper alternative. Now I could pay out of pocket (150 quoted by my dealer) for a diagnostic fee. I dont know exactly what they will do but if they do find a leaking DI seal they will warranty it and refund the 150. Now the dealer can screw me over and say "oh its your drop in air filter and once we put in a stock one the popping noise stops." Then they make away with my 150 for what is essentially a BS diagnostic. It seems like if we dont want our engine to blow up or be replaced we need dealers and corporate Subaru to be aware that this issue isnt just a small population of owners. It seems as if Toyota is willing to replace the seals while Subaru isnt willing to do anything unless we pay for diagnostic or after our engine blows...

Personally I believe this issue isnt just because of tracking the car. I believe it is also heat related. The first case of this issue recognized by Corporate Subaru was in South Africa (which is generally hotter than here in the states). During that time we were facing Winter and Spring months. Now that it is Summer, this issue is all over the place now. It is appearing whether a person tracks their car or uses it as their daily driver.

With all that said I would really like Subaru to fix this issue rather than have me drive my car around until the engine blows. I really don't like the idea of having the dealer work on my car, or worse... swap out my engine.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37810

[romin]

CSG Mike has hit the exact issue.
Subaru denies there is an issue.
Engine eventually blows.
Subaru denies warranty because this issue is track related and track time = voided warranty.

I'm replacing my seals via a 3rd party mechanic and getting a software update via a 3rd party tuner.

I've dealt with many auto dealers over the years and Subaru is by far the worst.
Every issue I've hit with this vehicle has been diagnosed and repaired by me on my dime.
Subaru has provided no help what so ever.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by romin

Subaru denies warranty because this issue is track related and track time = voided warranty.

Looks like their exact verbiage is:

Damage Caused Due to Use of Vehicle in Competitive Events
These warranties do not cover damage to any component that is the result of operating the vehicle in any competition or racing event.

https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2013.html

[vtmike]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Looks like their exact verbiage is:


https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2013.html

I'd make the case it's an HPDE and is educational and not competitive.

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[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by vtmike

I'd make the case it's an HDPE and is educational and not competitive.

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Yep, exactly my point. There is no winner in an HPDE, thus not a competition/racing event.

[vtmike]

Realized I put HDPE. Too accustomed to specking HDPE pipe.

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[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Looks like their exact verbiage is:

"Damage Caused Due to Use of Vehicle in Competitive Events
These warranties do not cover damage to any component that is the result of operating the vehicle in any competition or racing event."

https://www.subaru.com/my-subaru/warranties-2013.html

Originally Posted by vtmike

I'd make the case it's an HPDE and is educational and not competitive.

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Yep, exactly my point. There is no winner in an HPDE, thus not a competition/racing event.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me as far as HPDE participation goes. The first and last thing that is stressed in every HPDE driver's meeting that I participate in is, "NO RACING, NO RACING, and NO RACING".

Nobody who participates in a (non-competitive, educational) HPDE should be denied warranty coverage of a failure due to a defect in the factory ECU programming causing detonation/mifiring and ultimately injector seal failure. Especially since now a number of completely stock, street-driven cars are having the same issue now in the summer heat and crappy gas we are stuck with in the US.

Since CSG_Mike participated in a track event that featured live timing and the participants were comparing times I think thats the scumbags at SOA are construing the event as "competitive", thus denying warranty coverage on his second motor. Doesn't mean its right since we all know he never abused either motors.

[CSG Mike]

I think it's safe to say that my driving mainly consists of cornering and braking, not somehow making the motor do something it can't. There are plenty of people here that have been in either the CSG BRZ with me, or have asked me to drive their cars, and know I don't sit on the rev limiter, and shift pretty slowly.

In fact, there's a lot of people I've advised to shift SLOWER to preserve their synchros, since the engine RPMs drop so slowly...

The engine itself is completely within the factory specification in virtually every car I drive.

[SkullWorks]

I remember having to urge MR kang to actually Rev my SR20VET in my track car out,

He kept trying to shift at the (indicated) redline on the tach....instead of closer to the 8300 rpm actual or the 7800 hp peak

[d4m45cuz]

Just an update. Was able to order a new coil pack from Subaru for my FRS (cheaper than Toyota by a bunch, lol). Also something interesting while I run on my malfunctioning coil (might have already been said, but just confirming): Quick shifts seem to throw P0351 on Coil 1 quite consistently at anything above 4000 RPM from what I can tell. After clearing the code 2 or 3 times yesterday, decided to take it easy. Shifted slower today allowing the RPMs to fall naturally to the next gear, and no code was thrown. So if anything, this is good info for those who are currently experiencing this code. Take it easy until you can fix it.

On a side note, when the Toyota dealership gave me my car back on Thursday they told me they flashed it with an update to fix the idle issue. Wanted to check to see if they included transient retard timings, so sent a copy of my ROM to episoft to compare with what they have. The dealer flashed a completely STOCK ROM to my car! No changes whatsoever! More reasons to either do it yourself or go after-market.

[ft_sjo]

I would file a complaint.

[RAWR BRZ]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

What evidence do you have that SOA has acknowledged the Injector seal issue and are working on a fix?

Also I need to correct you about South Africa. That was not Subaru, it was Toyota who released a service bulletin which included an ecu update that corrects the transient ignition retard tables.

Sorry if I said Subaru of South Africa, I know it is Toyota. It clearly shows on the pictures Drsutra posted. My source from a Subaru dealership told me that theyre researching the issue in Orange County. You can say this is speculations but they have to fix the issue for 2014. I am sure if it isnt resolved it will really hurt sales.

Originally Posted by whitefrs

So you saying that even Ud we fix this the issue will persist

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Yes because all the current fix does is replace the broken part with a new part but doesnt fix why the part breaks in the first place. It is more or less just a temporary fix. Just like the new DI pump for cricket noise.