Coilover Choice for Calgary All Year Around

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

Hey guys, I am looking at coilovers for my 2014 BRZ, to lower it a bit and stiffen it up and get the stance right for my new wheels. I live in Calgary and currently the car has never seen snow or rain but that may change in the future depending on whether I buy another winter beater or not when mine craps out.

Looking for some advice and reviews on various coil overs in the $1000-1500 range. Are sleeves a good idea no matter what? Whats a good durable brand? The car will see a few lapping days and auto x events per year as well.

Thanks

[wparsons]

If you're going to keep them on for the winter months, get something with a stainless / corrosion proof coating.

Poke around the suspension section, there's a few good options in your price range. I'd look at the ST coilovers, KW V1 and RCE Tarmac 0. I'm not sure how good the ST's will be in winter though, but the other two should hold up great.

Stay away from sleeves, you're far better off with a quality set that has the dampening rate matched to the spring rate.

[BRZZZZZZZZZZ]

Originally Posted by wparsons

If you're going to keep them on for the winter months, get something with a stainless / corrosion proof coating.

Poke around the suspension section, there's a few good options in your price range. I'd look at the ST coilovers, KW V1 and RCE Tarmac 0. I'm not sure how good the ST's will be in winter though, but the other two should hold up great.

Stay away from sleeves, you're far better off with a quality set that has the dampening rate matched to the spring rate.

When I say sleeves I mean the fabric protectors that go around the spring/shock body, maybe I am using the wrong term.

[wparsons]

Ohhhhhhhh, I thought you meant the add on sleeve coilovers that slip onto any strut.

I don't see how the fabric sleeves can hurt, but I wouldn't buy those in place of a rust proof set of coilovers. For extra protection, sure.

[Suberman]

The suspension thread is a good place to look:

For example.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55813

Not too much is missing from this thread:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45554

Related to winter:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55219

If you intend to drive your car in winter be very careful how much you lower it, the factory ride height is good. Also, you want to be very careful about how stiff you make the suspension, stiff springs, roll bars or damper settings all create problems in winter or in the wet.

Finally, somewhere in that topic there's good advice about the bump stops fitted to the factory coilovers (they are technically factory coilovers, just with no spring perch adjustment.). Some aftermarket coilovers come with comparable bump stops and dome do not. Changing out the factory bump stops will make a significant difference to how these cars handle. Be careful what you think you want. Suspension design isn't for amateurs. Even the best aftermarket suppliers cannot best the factory boys. Buy only from a reputable aftermarket supplier like KW, or Bilstein. The factory is supplied by Showa, I believe and KYB are an excellent manufacture from Japan. I don't know if any Japanese major supplier is making aftermarket shocks or coilovers for these cars.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by wparsons

If you're going to keep them on for the winter months, get something with a stainless / corrosion proof coating.

Poke around the suspension section, there's a few good options in your price range. I'd look at the ST coilovers, KW V1 and RCE Tarmac 0. I'm not sure how good the ST's will be in winter though, but the other two should hold up great.

Stay away from sleeves, you're far better off with a quality set that has the dampening rate matched to the spring rate.

Stainless coating? If the shock body is aluminum it will be anodized. If it is steel it will be painted.

If it is made from stainless steel (unlikely) it won't need a coating.

[wparsons]

^^ Will you please just shut up about things you don't know about?

Stainless steel INOX coated.

These coilovers feature KW’s stainless steel INOX coating for excellent protection against the elements and include a limited LIFETIME warranty.

http://www.racecompengineering.com/i...-and-fr-s.html

http://www.racecompengineering.com/i...-brz-fr-s.html

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2513846

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by wparsons

^^ Will you please just shut up about things you don't know about?





http://www.racecompengineering.com/i...-and-fr-s.html

http://www.racecompengineering.com/i...-brz-fr-s.html

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2513846

That's ridiculous. It stainless steel doesn't need INOX coating for an automotive application. Complete waste of money and pure marketing. Naked stainless steel is used routinely in ocean going applications. anyone who actually pays for INOX coating on land based stainless is an idiot. I actually said it wouldn't need it not that nobody is stupid enough to make it, let alone buy it.

It is purely cosmetic eye candy appealing to the ignorant. Wonder how much extra they charge for it.

INOX is also actually just an industry word meaning stainless steel whether "coated" or not.

Do you know what the benefit of "INOX coating" could possibly be in an automotive environment?

You need to at least google this stuff before you post uselessly inaccurate information:

http://www.euro-inox.org/pdf/map/Col...ssSteel_EN.pdf

http://www.pferd.com/images/Praxis_INOX_72dpi_en.pdf

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stainless_steel"]Stainless steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]



I'm beginning to worry about you being in charge of anything in or around a nuclear power plant, or are you just the janitor there?

[wparsons]

Just because Inox has one meaning doesn't mean KW isn't using the word for something different. Kind of exactly like how your link for "Euro Inox" is for a company that specializes in giving stainless a colour coating.

Inox is actually the coating of the coilovers. It is essentially a highly corrosive-resistant coating for the coilovers to protect the threads from rust and other deterioration.

Do you enjoy crapping on every thread with bad information? In one post today you recommend KW coilovers, now you say anyone paying for them is an idiot.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by wparsons

Just because Inox has one meaning doesn't mean KW isn't using the word for something different. Kind of exactly like how your link for "Euro Inox" is for a company that specializes in giving stainless a colour coating.



Do you enjoy crapping on every thread with bad information? In one post today you recommend KW coilovers, now you say anyone paying for them is an idiot.

http://www.kw-suspension.com/us/kw_inox_line.php

Note that KW claims their INOX line has superior corrosion protection to zinc plated steel. Well, duh. What they don't compare is the supposed INOX superiority to "ordinary stainless steel" which they also spear to make, although it appears KW is careful bit to be too clear about what their "INOX line" actually is other than not zinc plated steel.

How come KW claims they INOX coat some of their product but not other stainless steel product? Why don't they test those two products!

Cosmetic eye dandy designed to attract extra dollars from the ignorant.

And actually, if you read the product information KW doesn't actually claim their INOX line is coated at all. And furthermore, coating stainless steel would increase its susceptibility to corrosion so I think racecompengineering just assumes it is some sort of coating. Stainless steel must be exposed to air to retain its chromium surface to remain corrosion free. So I call bullshit on the claim that anybody " coats" stainless steel to protect it from corrosion. See for example the paint experts at:

http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=119

You haven't answered my question about INOX coating on stainless steel. What's it supposed to achieve? According you that Euro INOX link corrosion protection has nothing to do with INOX coating, it's just a way of colouring stainless steel, which is quite difficult BTW.

When are you going to give up with your ill informed, and frankly stupid personal attacks? You give every appearance of being one of the idiots you're signature refers to.

[PMPB]

Originally Posted by Suberman

That's ridiculous. It stainless steel doesn't need INOX coating for an automotive application. Complete waste of money and pure marketing. Naked stainless steel is used routinely in ocean going applications. anyone who actually pays for INOX coating on land based stainless is an idiot. I actually said it wouldn't need it not that nobody is stupid enough to make it, let alone buy it.

INOX is also actually just an industry word meaning stainless steel whether "coated" or not.

Do you know what the benefit of "INOX coating" could possibly be in an automotive environment?

So INOX is a coating, but it'd be a waste of money to put it on any stainless that is used in a automotive application... Is that correct?

For your reference, there are many types of stainless http://www.estainlesssteel.com/corrosion.shtml

In my line of work, we've had situations were 304 stainless wasn't good enough because of attack from H2S. I'm not saying that H2S is going to decay your stainless coils... nothing of the sort. Just pointing out that stainless isn't invincible to attack.

Originally Posted by Suberman

Cosmetic eye dandy designed to attract extra dollars from the ignorant.

And actually, if you read the product information KW doesn't actually claim their INOX line is coated at all. And furthermore, coating stainless steel would increase its susceptibility to corrosion so I think racecompengineering just assumes it is some sort of coating.

You haven't answered my question about INOX coating on stainless steel. What's it supposed to achieve? According you that Euro INOX link corrosion protection has nothing to do with INOX coating, it's just a way of colouring stainless steel, which is quite difficult BTW.

Change your tune much? Now INOX coating is just a colouring thing. It's doesn't actually perform a task.

With that said, I agree, and I think when they said INOX coating, they mis-spoke. Unless the item truly is only plated in stainless...

Originally Posted by Suberman

When are you going to give up with your ill informed, and frankly stupid personal attacks? You give every appearance of being one of the idiots you're signature refers to.

Originally Posted by Suberman

I'm beginning to worry about you being in charge of anything in or around a nuclear power plant, or are you just the janitor there?

YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS

[Ocho Seis]

Hi I got the Hsd coilovers they are great not harsh have been great so far and not overly over priced

http://savey.smugmug.com/GT-86

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Suberman

http://www.kw-suspension.com/us/kw_inox_line.php

Note that KW claims their INOX line has superior corrosion protection to zinc plated steel. Well, duh. What they don't compare is the supposed INOX superiority to "ordinary stainless steel" which they also spear to make, although it appears KW is careful bit to be too clear about what their "INOX line" actually is other than not zinc plated steel.

How come KW claims they INOX coat some of their product but not other stainless steel product? Why don't they test those two products!

Cosmetic eye dandy designed to attract extra dollars from the ignorant.

And actually, if you read the product information KW doesn't actually claim their INOX line is coated at all. And furthermore, coating stainless steel would increase its susceptibility to corrosion so I think racecompengineering just assumes it is some sort of coating. Stainless steel must be exposed to air to retain its chromium surface to remain corrosion free. So I call bullshit on the claim that anybody " coats" stainless steel to protect it from corrosion. See for example the paint experts at:

http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=119

You haven't answered my question about INOX coating on stainless steel. What's it supposed to achieve? According you that Euro INOX link corrosion protection has nothing to do with INOX coating, it's just a way of colouring stainless steel, which is quite difficult BTW.

When are you going to give up with your ill informed, and frankly stupid personal attacks? You give every appearance of being one of the idiots you're signature refers to.

No one cares that you think you can use google to sound smart.

Does any of your blabbering change the fact that the OP should buy corrosion proof coilovers for where he lives? No? Then shut up and stop ruining this thread.

[Suberman]

All suspension worth buying will be "corrosion proof". My SAABs and my Alfa Romeo have ordinary steel shocks and last well over 200,000 km and, so far 22 years and 17 years without corrosion damage and driven year round.

Stainless steel has many disadvantages, the primary one being cost.

Ordinary painted steel shocks last a long time even in severe winter conditions. I have never had to replace a shock which failed because it was rusty.

Springs cannot be made from corrosion proof metal and usually fail long before corrosion can damage any shock fitted to the same wheel.

Shocks wear out long before corrosion can become relevant.

So, no, I disagree. I say that paying for stainless steel shocks is a complete waste of money practically speaking. KW is indulging in pure marketing bling and no doubt charging for the "bling" that remains unseen behind the tires. No question KW makes a good product.