FA20 - A, Thats F20 Quick Math - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Pure Automotive · 01-04-2018, 10:54 AM

We've been up to no good! This was a complete mock up we did to make a mount kit. Mounts are in production!

Up next will be K Series mounts, then we will finalize our Honda engine swap ECU plug and play package! Stay tuned!

f20 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

8RZ · 01-04-2018, 11:03 AM

Saw this on FB, pretty cool swap.

ZDan · 01-04-2018, 11:33 AM

Schweeeet

MRS-Colin · 01-04-2018, 11:34 AM

TELL EM MANS NOT HOT

Swift · 01-04-2018, 11:40 AM

Sacrilege!!

But if you put in a Honda J-series...the newer ones..we may actually save weight perhaps. And I know them pretty good and they are reliable as hell.

I am all in then baby,

Leonardo · 01-04-2018, 12:20 PM

Wow, that's the cleanest swap (of an s2k engine) I have seen!!! Nice work!

I loved my ap1! That VTEC song!

ILLSMOQ · 01-04-2018, 01:02 PM

You guys are tearing it up!

NOHOME · 01-04-2018, 01:25 PM

I do like the S2000 despite the Jeckyl and Hyde personality. Not so sure I would deliberately transplant that personality into the FRS.

Power gains would only be found above the VTEC threshold at 6000 rpm?

I am not saying that it is a bad swap ( looks well executed) but I would need to have the value proposition of this swap explained to me a bit more.

LOLS2K · 01-04-2018, 01:27 PM

K swap the world!

ZDan · 01-04-2018, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME

I do like the S2000 despite the Jeckyl and Hyde personality. Not so sure I would deliberately transplant that personality into the FRS.

Jeckyl/Hyde personality is purely a function of VTEC transition at 6000rpm. Tune to move it to 5000rpm or wherever torque is equal on either set of lobes eliminates the stupid VTEC "kick". In my '01, I never notice it because I'm almost never in VTEC on the street, and always in VTEC at the track

Quote:

I am not saying that it is a bad swap ( looks well executed) but I would need to have the value proposition of this swap explained to me a bit more.

240hp > 200hp
greater reliability (perhaps debatable)
9000rpm screamy engine vs. 7400rpm tractor sounds

Leonardo · 01-04-2018, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan

9000rpm screamy engine vs. 7400rpm tractor sounds

Lol!

via Imgflip Meme Generator

Tokay444 · 01-04-2018, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo

Wow, that's the cleanest swap (of an s2k engine) I have seen!!! Nice work!

I loved my ap1! That VTEC song!

Cleanest mock up?

Pure Automotive · 01-04-2018, 04:23 PM

The value of this swap is the same value of every swap we have done so far. They're all the same reason: They are a building block toward something better. FA20s (reliable ones) that are built and boosted are fun, until about 400-450 your trans breaks. Then you need to buy a built trans. The money you spent on a built FA20, turbo kit, and built transmission, could have been spent on a swap. Then, instead of being maxed out, which the FA20 would be at that point, now you have a platform that will max out much higher. We did a turbo s2K for a customer that made 650 whp on the stock engine and trans. The only weak point at that power level in an S2000 is the diff. The FT86 differential has been known to hold 700+. This swap will cost half what a 2JZ swap costs when we're done with our kit. It will also make less than half the power, but then you'll have a stepping stone to build onto later that won't let you down like the FA20 always does.

glorydays · 01-04-2018, 04:27 PM

I wonder how differently it will handle compared to the fa20.

01-04-2018, 10:54 AM	#1
Pure Automotive Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 FRS Whiteout Location: Millersville, MD Posts: 2,035 Thanks: 735 Thanked 1,952 Times in 650 Posts Mentioned: 147 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	FA20 - A, Thats F20 Quick Math We've been up to no good! This was a complete mock up we did to make a mount kit. Mounts are in production! Up next will be K Series mounts, then we will finalize our Honda engine swap ECU plug and play package! Stay tuned! f20 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

01-04-2018, 11:34 AM	#4
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Swift I just Drive. Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: in the womb still Location: WI/MN Posts: 299 Thanks: 0 Thanked 116 Times in 86 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sacrilege!! But if you put in a Honda J-series...the newer ones..we may actually save weight perhaps. And I know them pretty good and they are reliable as hell. I am all in then baby, __________________ -Waiting patiently for the right FT-86... -92' Acura Legend 5spd coupe twin turbo project

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01-04-2018, 01:25 PM	#8
NOHOME Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: RAVEN Location: LONDON ONTARIO Posts: 795 Thanks: 86 Thanked 800 Times in 346 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I do like the S2000 despite the Jeckyl and Hyde personality. Not so sure I would deliberately transplant that personality into the FRS. Power gains would only be found above the VTEC threshold at 6000 rpm? I am not saying that it is a bad swap ( looks well executed) but I would need to have the value proposition of this swap explained to me a bit more.

01-04-2018, 04:23 PM	#13
Pure Automotive Join Date: Nov 2012 Drives: 2013 FRS Whiteout Location: Millersville, MD Posts: 2,035 Thanks: 735 Thanked 1,952 Times in 650 Posts Mentioned: 147 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The value of this swap is the same value of every swap we have done so far. They're all the same reason: They are a building block toward something better. FA20s (reliable ones) that are built and boosted are fun, until about 400-450 your trans breaks. Then you need to buy a built trans. The money you spent on a built FA20, turbo kit, and built transmission, could have been spent on a swap. Then, instead of being maxed out, which the FA20 would be at that point, now you have a platform that will max out much higher. We did a turbo s2K for a customer that made 650 whp on the stock engine and trans. The only weak point at that power level in an S2000 is the diff. The FT86 differential has been known to hold 700+. This swap will cost half what a 2JZ swap costs when we're done with our kit. It will also make less than half the power, but then you'll have a stepping stone to build onto later that won't let you down like the FA20 always does.

01-04-2018, 04:27 PM	#14
glorydays Remember me? Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: BRZ Series.Blue Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 483 Thanks: 259 Thanked 105 Times in 68 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wonder how differently it will handle compared to the fa20.

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