Counterfeit Wheels

[FNCrazy]

I could have just put "fake" wheels, but "counterfeit" just sounds so much more...sinister.

So I'm looking and looking for wheels. So much so that they're all starting to run together. I'm limited on time and budget, so it makes it that much harder.

Yes, I know, the big bad ebay. After finding some decent but ultimately excluded used wheels from other places, I did happen to come upon some on Ebay, and then searched and found a ton.

My question is, how do you know if they're fakes? Is that a prevalent thing, faking wheels? I know probably like a BBS or something that's thousands a piece maybe, but even in the couple hundred per wheel area, is faking a big worry?

What are some signs to watch out for. Obviously I analyze their pictures very carefully with ones that I can find from the manufacturer, look for slight differences in logos, color..whatever, but that's as far as I've gotten. I'm not going to go buy some on Ebay from a shop in China or anything out of the country, but they've got auto shops that have great ratings selling wheels that are a good deal. Not like a STEAL of a deal, where you know something's up, just good enough deals.

I've rambled enough, can anyone help?

[sdemo]

Honestly, some of the fakes are good enough that the owners don't know they're fake. We had a situation on another forum where a seller had listed Rays wheels but the logo said "Ravs." I think they were made by Konig or somebody similar, and could've even used the same Rays mold, but Rays didn't make em.

TLDR, buy wheels new from reputable sellers or ya never know.

EDIT: or hope the seller will show you their original invoice.. which is a hell of a long shot on eBay.

[continuecrushing]

there are plenty of "fake"/replica wheels from, uh, reputable? (if that's a thing) companies...why would you buy a random set off ebay?

I mean, what "budget" are you talking here?

Also, price is going to pretty much tell you if they are real or not.
Not gonna find legit HRE's for $400 bucks.
And, if you're gonna buy "real" wheels, why wouldn't you just buy them from a place that you know has/sells legit parts?

[FNCrazy]

So, I wrecked/damaged/hurt my car, and I have a certain amount of money from insurance to pay for the entire thing. Unfortunately (fortunately maybe?), only two wheels and two tires were destroyed. So, the insurance company said take the money they'd give me towards used OEM and I they'd be fine if I put that money towards higher quality stuff if I just paid the difference.

So, my budget is a little fluid, which doesn't help you guys. By fluid I mean, if I see a really cool wheel and have to spend an extra 100/set on it, then something else doesn't get as good of an upgrade, you know what I mean? It's a balancing act, and one that I evidently suck at. It kept me up the last couple nights thinking about all this.

Okay, back to the point.

Budget. I know I could go out and get Enkei RFP1 or whatever wheels that everyone uses. I know that. They're good, they're light, not majorly expensive, but for me, I've never had aftermarket wheels, asthetics also plays a role. I'd rather not have one of the top two or three kinds of wheels that twins owners buy, just because I don't want it to end up looking like everything else. Make sense?

So, how I ended up on Ebay, I was looking up pictures of a more expensive wheel that's a bit out of any stretch of my price range. When I saw all the wheels on Ebay, I kind of forgot about that wheel so never did find it, but realized there were a ton of places there that just had their prices listed instead of (PM me for forum pricing (then waiting a day or two)). Most every time I'm game for that, but this car needs to get put back together.

So, I thought an option might be to get a better (possibly even forged?) wheel set on Ebay for a bit of a discount instead of going with lower quality, cheap wheels at full price from a random internet retailer.

As far as price, I'm looking at about $1000-$1100/set at the max

[swarb]

Buy from a reputable/licenced dealer.
If you aren't sure if they are real, just post here and ask.
-Stickers
-Finish, colors, quality and texture
-weight
-dual drilled or not
-centerbore
-centercaps
-via/jwl stamps
-valve stem location
-fake 2/3piece bolts
-inside of wheel not replicated but outside is
-size never made
Plenty of replicas out there, not that many fakes.

RAVS EN6. YOLK RACIN6
BB5 88S
V1/\ JVVL

[swarb]

Originally Posted by FNCrazy

So, I wrecked/damaged/hurt my car, and I have a certain amount of money from insurance to pay for the entire thing. Unfortunately (fortunately maybe?), only two wheels and two tires were destroyed. So, the insurance company said take the money they'd give me towards used OEM and I they'd be fine if I put that money towards higher quality stuff if I just paid the difference.

So, my budget is a little fluid, which doesn't help you guys. By fluid I mean, if I see a really cool wheel and have to spend an extra 100/set on it, then something else doesn't get as good of an upgrade, you know what I mean? It's a balancing act, and one that I evidently suck at. It kept me up the last couple nights thinking about all this.

Okay, back to the point.

Budget. I know I could go out and get Enkei RFP1 or whatever wheels that everyone uses. I know that. They're good, they're light, not majorly expensive, but for me, I've never had aftermarket wheels, asthetics also plays a role. I'd rather not have one of the top two or three kinds of wheels that twins owners buy, just because I don't want it to end up looking like everything else. Make sense?

So, how I ended up on Ebay, I was looking up pictures of a more expensive wheel that's a bit out of any stretch of my price range. When I saw all the wheels on Ebay, I kind of forgot about that wheel so never did find it, but realized there were a ton of places there that just had their prices listed instead of (PM me for forum pricing (then waiting a day or two)). Most every time I'm game for that, but this car needs to get put back together.

So, I thought an option might be to get a better (possibly even forged?) wheel set on Ebay for a bit of a discount instead of going with lower quality, cheap wheels at full price from a random internet retailer.

As far as price, I'm looking at about $1000-$1100/set at the max

Pick a design you like.
Pick a color or finish you like.
Pick a size. Usually 17 or 18.
Pick a width. Usually 7.5-9.5
Pick a tire, that would decide your width range.
You aren't going to get anything forged at that budget.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

How about this?

http://www.vrwheels.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=6489

[Kaotic Lazagna]

And since not too many people run 16's (and if you're willing to), these should help set you apart:

http://www.vrwheels.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=6685

http://www.vrwheels.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=6690

[FNCrazy]

Originally Posted by swarb

Buy from a reputable/licenced dealer.
If you aren't sure if they are real, just post here and ask.
-Stickers
-Finish, colors, quality and texture
-weight
-dual drilled or not
-centerbore
-centercaps
-via/jwl stamps
-valve stem location
-fake 2/3piece bolts
-inside of wheel not replicated but outside is
-size never made
Plenty of replicas out there, not that many fakes.

RAVS EN6. YOLK RACIN6
BB5 88S
V1/\ JVVL

Thank you (all) for your help! I know I'm not going to find a set of (insert high dollar brand here) for dirt cheap on Ebay and have it be legit. I was talking on the phone when I was writing, wasn't completely clear. I would, legitimately (I think), think it's possible to find maybe a used set from someone of a nicer wheel (Maybe even forged) for a good amount cheaper than a brand new set. That's more what I'm thinking, rather than Look, a $5000 BBS set for $799 including green valve stem covers!

Just trying to be fast, find a good deal (even or especially if) it's used, but not have the same wheel everyone else has.

Thanks for your offer of help to help me sort out a possible fake here or there, that would be a big relief.

Thanks guys!

[FNCrazy]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

How about this?

http://www.vrwheels.com/index.php?ma...oducts_id=6489

I definitely thought Advan's were more expensive than that. Those aren't fake?Unfortunately, it's not my color anyway (more of a gunmetal, anthracite, matte, or gloss black type) unfortunately, because it's in my budget. I'll look around at that site though, thanks!

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by FNCrazy

I definitely thought Advan's were more expensive than that. Those aren't fake?Unfortunately, it's not my color anyway (more of a gunmetal, anthracite, matte, or gloss black type) unfortunately, because it's in my budget. I'll look around at that site though, thanks!

Nah, VR Wheels is reputable. Those aren't aggressive specs, so they'll be priced lower.

Ravspec wheels is also another reputable vendor. There was one more rare wheel vendor, I just can't remember their name right now.

Just a heads up, some wheels are used and some are new from VR Wheels.

[swarb]

You won't find a used forged set at that price.
You won't find a used 3 piece set at that price.
At least not decent sizes @17x8 minimum and 5x100.
Maybe you get lucky and you do find a set, I doubt they will be in good condition though.
Enkei is the best value overall.

[MrDinkleman]

Originally Posted by sdemo

We had a situation on another forum where a seller had listed Rays wheels but the logo said "Ravs."

LOL This is the first thing that popped into my head as I read the OP's post...

[swarb]

VORK RAVS