OpenFlash/TunerPro Tuning Locations

[toekneehair]

First off let me start by saying this thread is not meant to determine which Flashing unit is best out there. For those that own an OpenFlash Tablet and want to get their car dyno'd and tuned or just tuned there are currently limited places to go. What I would like to do is start up a comprehensive list of shops and tuners out there that are willing to tune our cars using the new OpenFlash Tablet and Tuner/Pro software.

What I would like you to do is provide as much of the following as possible

Name of shop/tuner:
Location Address:
Phone Number:
*Any other supporting information you think is valuable*

I know there may not be a lot of places at the time of this post but growing this list will help those all over the US who have this device and want to continue to use it.

Update:
North East Support

Auto Master AMR, LTD.

420 Center Avenue
Mamaroneck, NY 10543
Phone: 914-381-5460
Website: automasteramr.com

East Coast Support

Trust Automotive

119 Tilden Ave suite F
Chesapeake, Va 23320
757-621-1423
*Pending Data Logging support*

Mach V Motorsports

45690 Elmwood Ct. #170
Sterling, VA 20166
(571) 434-8333
Website: http://fastwrx.com/brzshop.html

42 Autosports

726 Church Street North
Concord, NC 28025
(704) 425-3044
Website: 42autosports.com‎



West Coast Support

Vishnu Performance Systems

Hayward, CA
Phone: 925-415-9148
Website: PROcedetuning.com

[Anthony]

Excellent idea.

[jamesm]

the only place i know of is vishnu and shiv, but really anyone should be able to tune with it. it's not significantly different that any other tuning mechanism, and if they're familiar with 86's they should have no problems. i'd be more concerned with that last bit: finding tuning places that know their way around an 86. that seems to be the challenge in my experience.

[Ross]

Once logging is available I feel any competent tuner should be able to tune this. With that said, anyone with previous experiance that have been tuning with BRZedit or ECUTek should have no issues, It will ultimately come down to whether or not the tuner wants to support it.

[toekneehair]

Originally Posted by Ross

Once logging is available I feel any competent tuner should be able to tune this. With that said, anyone with previous experiance that have been tuning with BRZedit or ECUTek should have no issues, It will ultimately come down to whether or not the tuner wants to support it.

I understand that they should be able to. The goal here is just to create a list so we know which tuners out there are basically saying "Hey I'll tune your car with Open Flash"

Since not everyone can drive all the way to Shiv to have him tune it, there would be a benefit in knowing who you can call up in and around your area. picking the best tuner in your area, well that will remain up to you to decide. Here we are just providing options.

[Anthony]

Exactly. I was talking to a tuner about it a few weeks ago and they were less than enthused.

[vgi]

Tri-state area North-East so far only AMR Performance (according to this post http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...21&postcount=3) confirmed that they can tune with pretty much anything.

[cnk]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Exactly. I was talking to a tuner about it a few weeks ago and they were less than enthused.

Not surprised about that response. I'm sure most tuners would prefer not to have their tunes made openly available.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by cnk

Not surprised about that response. I'm sure most tuners would prefer not to have their tunes made openly available.

there will be opened tunes offered for download, that is inevitable.

so the tuners can either support tuning tools that don't lock tunes, or miss bunch of customers who bought these tools but are still willing to pay money for a custom tune. the reason for folks to get a custom tune is better and safer tune: 'dyno tune' > 'remote tune' > 'canned tune'.

of course i doubt that tuners who's tunes suck will support unlocked tunes mumbling about their R&D and intellectual property being made public but in fact rather being scared to be called out on their shitty tunes.

[Ross]

Honestly no two completed tunes are ever exactly the same, some will be close. What works perfect for one set up will not always work perfect for another. At the end of the day it is the customers property as they have paid for it. The proprietary stuff just causes unneeded arguments. When logging becomes available I will gladly support the product for my local customers. I prefer dyno tuning over E-tuning, just my preference.

[Shiv@Openflash]

As others have said, the bigger issue is finding someone who is competent and familiar with tuning the 86. With NA cars, they really only need to understand how the ignition timing maps work (base ign timing table plus additive knock correction/advance table). The rest is very straightforward and no unlike any other ecu they have come across. Those tuning FI applications will need to have a very good understanding of the ecu and how it works as they will need to manage fuel trims, MAF limits, etc.,

Also, Evo and Wrx tuners have been custom tuning customer cars on open tuning platforms for years. This is because customers value the benefit of custom tuning as opposed to baseline OTS maps. However, the truth is that with a turbo engine you can pick up substantial power through custom tuning (vs baseline map). But on a NA FA20, you'll be lucky to pick up another 5hp. What you can improve substantially through custom tuning is the torque dip area if you are running aftermarket headers since different designs will shift the dip around differently and require different VVT mapping to optimize. Once datalogging is in place I'll post a tutorial on how to do this very easily without even the need for a dyno. Although dyno tuning is always preferable.

[cnk]

Originally Posted by vgi

there will be opened tunes offered for download, that is inevitable.

so the tuners can either support tuning tools that don't lock tunes, or miss bunch of customers who bought these tools but are still willing to pay money for a custom tune. the reason for folks to get a custom tune is better and safer tune: 'dyno tune' > 'remote tune' > 'canned tune'.

of course i doubt that tuners who's tunes suck will support unlocked tunes mumbling about their R&D and intellectual property being made public but in fact rather being scared to be called out on their shitty tunes.

Most of what you state is pretty obvious for how most people probably think when it comes to tuning. However, a custom tune is not necessarily safer. The base tunes provide gains within a reasonable margin of safety to account for variations in the differences between mods on a car. A custom tune merely optimizes that base tune further for your specific mods and your specific car. Whether that custom tune is safe or not depends on the capabilities of your tuner, not just because you got a custom tune. If a custom tune takes one car to the max performance capabilities of that car, then it may be detrimental to another car, hence unsafe. So having a library of open tunes available to try will be nice to have, but the responsibility then shifts to the end user using that open tune to monitor and determine whether or not it is good and safe for their car or not.

As for tuners that don't want to tune cars with open access to their tunes, I can understand that as well. It's just like with suspension setups or anything else that requires time & effort to develop. You don't see Ohlins or other suspension companies sharing their shim stacks and setups freely. Consumers will always want things for free or as cheap as they can get it. Just because a tuner doesn't want to share their tunes, doesn't necessarily mean that their tunes are shitty.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by cnk

As for tuners that don't want to tune cars with open access to their tunes, I can understand that as well. It's just like with suspension setups or anything else that requires time & effort to develop.

while i agree it's the common thing you hear from tuners, it just doesn't make sense at all.

it seems as though those tuners are arguing opposing sides simultaneously, that exposing a single individual's tune would somehow harm their ability to do business, yet the whole aftermarket tuning business is pretty much built on the idea that cars require custom tuning and such 'generic' information would be useless to anyone else regardless. this is why we pay them instead of just downloading a map and calling it a day. the information is either valuable and to be protected or useless. you can't tell me it's valuable when i want to share it, but useless when i want to use it.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by cnk

Most of what you state is pretty obvious for how most people probably think when it comes to tuning. However, a custom tune is not necessarily safer. The base tunes provide gains within a reasonable margin of safety to account for variations in the differences between mods on a car. A custom tune merely optimizes that base tune further for your specific mods and your specific car. Whether that custom tune is safe or not depends on the capabilities of your tuner, not just because you got a custom tune. If a custom tune takes one car to the max performance capabilities of that car, then it may be detrimental to another car, hence unsafe. So having a library of open tunes available to try will be nice to have, but the responsibility then shifts to the end user using that open tune to monitor and determine whether or not it is good and safe for their car or not.

As for tuners that don't want to tune cars with open access to their tunes, I can understand that as well. It's just like with suspension setups or anything else that requires time & effort to develop. You don't see Ohlins or other suspension companies sharing their shim stacks and setups freely. Consumers will always want things for free or as cheap as they can get it. Just because a tuner doesn't want to share their tunes, doesn't necessarily mean that their tunes are shitty.

the master of truism

here's some more "wisdom":

Most of what you state is pretty obvious for how most people probably think when it comes to base tune. However, a base tune is not necessarily safer. The base tunes supposed to provide gains within a reasonable margin of safety to account for variations in the differences between mods on a car. Whether that base tune is safe or not depends on the capabilities of the tuner who provided base tune. So even if you acquired a 'base' tunes, but the responsibility is still on the end user using that base tune to monitor and determine whether or not it is good and safe for their car or not.

oh, and reading comprehension is the key!
what I wrote was "i doubt that tuners who's tunes suck will support unlocked tune".
that does not equate to "tuners that will not support unlocked tune have shitty tunes".
i really hope you get it this time.