WS2.....

[Ridgerunr]

Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone has tried using WS2 in there manual transmission? I'm going to try it when I change the oil in my gearbox this spring(when it warms up) I have used it in the past in snowmobiles, and my Can-Am Commander, but haven't used it in a car.

[Koa]

what are you looking to accomplish by adding ws2 powder to your transmission fluid mixture?

[Tcoat]

I would be very interested in knowing how well this worked. We used it on some of our milling equipment at a previous employer and it really does extend the life of tooling substantially. I never even thought of using it in a tranny until I read this post though. In theory it certainly should provide for smoother engagement and reduce wear but we all know theory and reality are not always the same.

[Poodles]

Have fun trying to shift... Syncros work because there's friction, remove the friction and they stop working.

[Koa]

I had a bit of laughs reading this thread about ecomodders adding the stuff to their systems...

lots of really empirical tests goin on over there

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ws2-21137.html

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Have fun trying to shift... Syncros work because there's friction, remove the friction and they stop working.

UMMMMMM... If you have no interlocking teeth on your synchros you have bigger issues then lack friction.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Koa

I had a bit of laughs reading this thread about ecomodders adding the stuff to their systems...

lots of really empirical tests goin on over there

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ws2-21137.html

Ya they fit in the "butt dyno" category for sure!
And are they really pouring WD40 into their engines and transmissions? Everybody knows that it is only for arthritis.

"So far I have made 3 coast down test to my home route. Today Drived two times 6 km and I think the coast down distance gets longer every try. This evening will drive about 100 km more if distances are getting longer there should be clear difference on the evening coast.

Distance has improved every time. After driving again about 7 km and coming back the improvement was about 1 meter.

Now in the evening droved 60 km and the improvement was 8 meters!.

Measured the total improvement by foot and its 50-60 meters. I did not have clear memory where the best was so far. But its 100% certain that the cars glides much better.

Now the remaining question is has durability went worse... But if you are willing to test new things and dont mind if somenthing brakes I would say try this WS2.

For WD40 when you put the stuff to your engine and transmission test before that how long your car rolls in some test place at slow speeds. After installation drive about 30 miles and repeat the test. If you put it only to your engine the coasting will not improve..".

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Now the remaining question is has durability went worse... But if you are willing to test new things and dont mind if somenthing brakes I would say try this WS2.

For WD40 when you put the stuff to your engine and transmission test before that how long your car rolls in some test place at slow speeds. After installation drive about 30 miles and repeat the test. If you put it only to your engine the coasting will not improve..".

They're regular automotive explorers!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Koa

They're regular automotive explorers!

The more I read the more I wanted to throw up a little! Those poor damn cars. There is no longer a single thing that can be said on this forum that will upset me! The dumbest possible statement here is like reading quantum physics compared to that bunk.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

UMMMMMM... If you have no interlocking teeth on your synchros you have bigger issues then lack friction.

Synchros work before the teeth engage. Friction is used to match speeds, this is why people have issues using GL5 gear oils in transmissions as it has friction modifier in it that limited slip diffs need for their operation.

[Ridgerunr]

Originally Posted by Koa

what are you looking to accomplish by adding ws2 powder to your transmission fluid mixture?

To reduce friction, and get better shifts in cold weather. I have read that it can be used in manual transmissions, but not auto. trannys. I have used it in my rear diff. In my commander, and it really made it sound a lot better. They are known to be very loud at times, but that's another can of worms.

[Koa]

I wouldn't do any decisions based on anecdotal/non substantiated evidence. Our brains are VERY powerful and influential to our senses. If we consciously put something in, or change a variable, there's a very real chance that we perceive a change due to our brains telling us something is different. It's a well founded and understood psychological perspective and consequence.

That being said, why do you want to get better shifts when the gear box is cold and to reduce friction? Aisin makes these things for a living, while the people producing this stuff, I guarantee you, did not take into consideration the design profile and characteristics of this transmission.

Therefore, you're shooting in the dark and it is my opinion and suggestion that you don't put this stuff in your brand new series blue.

YMMV, can do whatever you want, but please don't rely on what you "hear/feel/sense" when discerning what a lubricant additive is doing to your drivetrain... trust me, you can't tell. It happens at the micro level.

[Ridgerunr]

Well it sure helped my diff in my commander, it was so loud you needed ear plugs at any speed over 30 mph. Now you can go 80 with no issues. I just feel any time you can cut friction you will cut heat, and make things last longer. Maybe more research is needed on my part, that's way I posted it here, to get more input.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by Ridgerunr

Well it sure helped my diff in my commander, it was so loud you needed ear plugs at any speed over 30 mph. Now you can go 80 with no issues. I just feel any time you can cut friction you will cut heat, and make things last longer. Maybe more research is needed on my part, that's way I posted it here, to get more input.

Well my input to you stands that these transmissions are researched and developed to operate under very specific tolerances and, as such, need lubricants that are consistent with the design of them.



While it is true you cut heat when you cut friction, but by that same token you may be swinging things too far in the other direction, also resulting in damage (the very thing you're trying to prevent). As others have alluded to, too much slippage can fuck up things in there just as too little





All I'm saying is you should be very aware of the damage you can do and to take into consideration the design and purpose of the system (here, transmission + diff) to discern whether or not it'd be a good idea.



I did a little researching and it appears WS2 indeed helps a good deal of people's diff whine issues in their commanders. I'm not saying that it wouldn't produce an effect, because as a nano, it most definitely will coat EVERYTHING inside the transmission* and do SOMETHING... but correlating noise/whine to "bad" is a shot in the dark if you're not a master transmission specialist who can pinpoint what's going on in the case



(take note of that- very hard to clean if this turns out to be bad for the system- and some subscribe to the belief that once a tranny is cracked, it will never be the same. I've replaced 3 WRX 5mt transmissions and rebuilt one, and while the Aisin is better, general principles still stand)