Buying used with mods - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

MattTheGinge · 10-12-2016, 11:43 AM

So I'm purchasing a Series.Blue Brz, but the car has a decent bit of mods (coils, full exhaust, cosmetic) priced out about $4k into the car. What would you consider the value of the car with the mods if the owner is not willing to part out. Blue book value of the car is around 22k. What would be considered a reasonable offer and reasonable buying price?

gramicci101 · 10-12-2016, 11:46 AM

Unless the car is a show quality complete build, mods don't really add to the value. The current owner would make more money converting it back to as close to stock as possible and selling the mods separately. You can always argue that while it's nice that he modded it, you're just going to have to redo them with the things that you want, so why should you pay for his mods.

FX86 · 10-12-2016, 11:48 AM

if the owner thinks he can increase the price to make a profit just because he put mods on it then he is a fool

what is his asking price?

MattTheGinge · 10-12-2016, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FX86

if the owner thinks he can increase the price to make a profit just because he put mods on it then he is a fool

what is his asking price?

$25k

FX86 · 10-12-2016, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MattTheGinge

$25k

what is the current mileage on it and how much was the car brand new?

MattTheGinge · 10-12-2016, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FX86

what is the current mileage on it and how much was the car brand new?

It's a 2015 with 27k miles on it, not sure of how much he paid for it but the msrp on one is 29.5k new

goldenfri · 10-12-2016, 12:12 PM

lol, mods generally decrease value at worst and do not add any value at best. I wouldn't pay 25k for that.

FX86 · 10-12-2016, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MattTheGinge

It's a 2015 with 27k miles on it, not sure of how much he paid for it but the msrp on one is 29.5k new

what kind of condition would say the car is in? does it just have normal wear and tear

MattTheGinge · 10-12-2016, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FX86

what kind of condition would say the car is in? does it just have normal wear and tear

I'm arranging to see the car in person, but by the looks of it he's kept it in great condition, half his Facebook feed is him washing it and I know it's garage kept. I assume il find some flaws here and there but I'm not expecting anything more than a couple blemishes.

FX86 · 10-12-2016, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MattTheGinge

I'm arranging to see the car in person, but by the looks of it he's kept it in great condition, half his Facebook feed is him washing it and I know it's garage kept. I assume il find some flaws here and there but I'm not expecting anything more than a couple blemishes.

25K in my opinion seems to much... i would try to push him to the KBB value

Azzudien · 10-12-2016, 01:53 PM

Excellent book value is $21,741. Excellent with 27,000 miles, not likely
Good condition more likely and the book is $20,840

Add nothing for the mods, I wouldn't pay more than $20,500. The mods actually decrease the value of the car slightly. As another poster stated the car has more value if the owner returns it to stock, and sells the mods separately. $25,000 is way to high to pay.

Also keep in mind since this car has 27,000 miles it is a daily driver, and regardless of garage has been driven in all types of weather. Granted it appears you are in Florida so thankfully no salty winter.

Summerwolf · 10-12-2016, 02:00 PM

I'd probably say right around 20-21 is the value.... 25K is high. You have to think, it is a "limited production" vehicle but it is ultimately a niche of a niche vehicle. Mods don't add value, and actually limit the amount of buyers. The vehicle has some miles, and great deals are out there to be had. At this point, seeing all the deals available, I wouldn't even consider a twin (unless new) if it had a "2" at the front of the price.

Tcoat · 10-12-2016, 02:12 PM

Used car value can be very regional so it is better to check local then asking people here that may give you very wrong opinions based on what the car would sell for in their area.
By the looks of things most of the guys are pretty close to the price in you area though. Anyplace from $20K to $22 K seems normal for Orlando. Being a series blue the price would probably be at the upper end of the scale though.
As already said the mods do not add value even if they are ones you would have done yourself. They should be thrown in or removed but I think you would have a tough time convincing the seller that they make the car less valuable.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...lando+FL-32803
https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...do-d2134_L5167
http://www.edmunds.com/subaru/brz/for-sale/fl/orlando/

zc06_kisstherain · 10-12-2016, 05:50 PM

like others said mods dont add value but think about what mods are you going to do with vehicle. if something that you're going to do in future has it that vehicle, i would negotiate little. but if you're going to start fresh then tell him to remove that parts.

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10-12-2016, 11:46 AM	#2
gramicci101 Off Topic Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: 2014 Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Vegas, baby! Posts: 4,610 Thanks: 2,369 Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,170 Posts Mentioned: 43 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Unless the car is a show quality complete build, mods don't really add to the value. The current owner would make more money converting it back to as close to stock as possible and selling the mods separately. You can always argue that while it's nice that he modded it, you're just going to have to redo them with the things that you want, so why should you pay for his mods.

10-12-2016, 11:48 AM	#3
FX86 Banned Join Date: May 2016 Drives: on the wrongside of the road Location: rear floor mats Posts: 2,240 Thanks: 1,084 Thanked 2,087 Times in 1,015 Posts Mentioned: 14 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	if the owner thinks he can increase the price to make a profit just because he put mods on it then he is a fool what is his asking price?

10-12-2016, 12:12 PM	#7
goldenfri Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2017 BRZ Limited PP Location: Maryland Posts: 208 Thanks: 72 Thanked 130 Times in 60 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	lol, mods generally decrease value at worst and do not add any value at best. I wouldn't pay 25k for that.

10-12-2016, 01:53 PM	#11
Azzudien Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Drives: 2017 Series Yellow BRZ Location: New York Posts: 300 Thanks: 34 Thanked 269 Times in 127 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Excellent book value is $21,741. Excellent with 27,000 miles, not likely Good condition more likely and the book is $20,840 Add nothing for the mods, I wouldn't pay more than $20,500. The mods actually decrease the value of the car slightly. As another poster stated the car has more value if the owner returns it to stock, and sells the mods separately. $25,000 is way to high to pay. Also keep in mind since this car has 27,000 miles it is a daily driver, and regardless of garage has been driven in all types of weather. Granted it appears you are in Florida so thankfully no salty winter.

10-12-2016, 02:00 PM	#12
Summerwolf Panda Trueno Join Date: Jan 2015 Drives: No twin now. Location: North Indiana Posts: 3,349 Thanks: 2,113 Thanked 2,409 Times in 1,332 Posts Mentioned: 17 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I'd probably say right around 20-21 is the value.... 25K is high. You have to think, it is a "limited production" vehicle but it is ultimately a niche of a niche vehicle. Mods don't add value, and actually limit the amount of buyers. The vehicle has some miles, and great deals are out there to be had. At this point, seeing all the deals available, I wouldn't even consider a twin (unless new) if it had a "2" at the front of the price.

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