Why not 300+ hp? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

SOB · 04-03-2011, 10:37 PM

I keep reading about 200-250hp which isn't bad for it's weight but it is still pretty slow compared to other rwd cars. At best (w/250hp) the weight to power will be about 10.8lbs/1hp. Right now the 5.0 is less then 9lbs per hp. I would assume a 250hp FT-86 is good for lows 14s and low 15s with a 200hp engine. I personally think they should use a new Subaru engine with about 300hp and that doesn't break with simple mods like the current STI engine.

Let's hear your thoughts...

Archer256 · 04-03-2011, 10:41 PM

Simply put?

This isn't a Lexus.

More detail - Toyota wants to make a performance/sporty car at a low price and get people into the Toyota brand (eventually move up to Lexus) and go back to their history. Lexus is a premium/luxury brand. Where their cheapest car can be like in the low 30's at the most.

aliphian · 04-03-2011, 11:29 PM

Cheap, Fast, Reliable.

Pick Two.

BTW, this car was designed to be inexpensive and since it is a Toyota/Subaru, I would assume it will be reliable.

That's why.

SUB-FT86 · 04-03-2011, 11:42 PM

I can't believe people think a RWD turbocharged sport coupe will have to cost over 30k when a AWD, 2.5l turbo WRX exist at 26k OTD. And this car is built on the same platform.

tranzformer · 04-03-2011, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aliphian

Cheap, Fast, Reliable.

Pick Two.

BTW, this car was designed to be inexpensive and since it is a Toyota/Subaru, I would assume it will be reliable.

That's why.

What is your definition of fast and cheap? What is fast to someone is slow to another. What is cheap to one is expensive to another. I always hate these list three and pick two scenarios. Most of the time they don't even work since it is heavily definition based. What is "cheap" to you might not be for others. And what I consider fast might be slow to you. I think you can definitely get all 3 of those in a package.

NESW20 · 04-03-2011, 11:58 PM

because straight line speed is not what this car is about.

/thread

4agze · 04-04-2011, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20

because straight line speed is not what this car is about.

/thread

^^^ this

Why noobs go here not read just make a topic that we already talked about 100x?

tranzformer · 04-04-2011, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20

because straight line speed is not what this car is about.

/thread

I agree. "Anyone" can drive a car fast in a straight-line. That isn't hard and it isn't hard to design/build a car for that. However, it is much harder to drive technical tracks/roads and to have a car that is optimized for that regarding breaking, suspension, power curve, transmission, weight distribution...etc.

If you want a car with 300+ hp, there are many options for that. This is trying to find its own spot.

Exage · 04-04-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SOB

I personally think they should use a new Subaru engine with about 300hp and that doesn't break with simple mods like the current STI engine.

If you want a 300hp FT at the start, DIY. Get an EJ turbo conversion or build up the FB. It's self explanatory. They aren't going to be launching the FT with an engine that probably won't be production ready at the time of release.

xantonin · 04-04-2011, 01:18 AM

This topic has been discussed in not only other threads, but in practically every single thread on this forum.

It's always brought up, even in threads where it is off-topic, and the bottom line answer is what the above users said.

Giccin · 04-04-2011, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NESW20

because straight line speed is not what this car is about.

/thread

I'm going to state this again. I love Drifting more than straight lines.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4agze

Why noobs go here not read just make a topic that we already talked about 100x?

Zorro · 04-04-2011, 01:38 AM

OldSkoolToys · 04-04-2011, 02:34 AM

Its getting to the point where I can't tell if people are trolling or legitimately asking this same old tired and stupid question.

farugah · 04-04-2011, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I can't believe people think a RWD turbocharged sport coupe will have to cost over 30k when a AWD, 2.5l turbo WRX exist at 26k OTD. And this car is built on the same platform.

But an AWD turbo WRX in Australia is 62k RRP, I'm all for a performance version like the Gs but there needs to be a base model that hits Aus at sub 40k for it to have any success here (IMHO)

Edit: Just realised you may be talking about the WRX(47k RRP) im referring to the STi

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SOB Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 1964 Chevy Cheetah Location: United States Posts: 52 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Why not 300+ hp? I keep reading about 200-250hp which isn't bad for it's weight but it is still pretty slow compared to other rwd cars. At best (w/250hp) the weight to power will be about 10.8lbs/1hp. Right now the 5.0 is less then 9lbs per hp. I would assume a 250hp FT-86 is good for lows 14s and low 15s with a 200hp engine. I personally think they should use a new Subaru engine with about 300hp and that doesn't break with simple mods like the current STI engine. Let's hear your thoughts...

04-03-2011, 11:29 PM	#3
aliphian Dreamer Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Nutless Grocery Getter Location: California Posts: 375 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick Two. BTW, this car was designed to be inexpensive and since it is a Toyota/Subaru, I would assume it will be reliable. That's why. __________________ "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

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xantonin Mr. Detail Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: 2003 Celica GT-S Location: Cary, NC Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This topic has been discussed in not only other threads, but in practically every single thread on this forum. It's always brought up, even in threads where it is off-topic, and the bottom line answer is what the above users said. __________________

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Archer256 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: TSX Location: US Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Simply put? This isn't a Lexus. More detail - Toyota wants to make a performance/sporty car at a low price and get people into the Toyota brand (eventually move up to Lexus) and go back to their history. Lexus is a premium/luxury brand. Where their cheapest car can be like in the low 30's at the most.

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SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I can't believe people think a RWD turbocharged sport coupe will have to cost over 30k when a AWD, 2.5l turbo WRX exist at 26k OTD. And this car is built on the same platform.

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