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Originally Posted by weederr33

You better check yourself buddy.

Originally Posted by conehead

Wow, you guys are slow. I will use your own example and try to break it into soft little bites for you. A supercharger has TRADE-OFFS, it makes more power but has downsides like cost, heat, noise, reliability, etc. A manufacturer has to weigh these issues in their design. Go ahead and tell us what the trade-off would be to a little piece of plastic that supposedly creates more power and fuel economy with no downside. There is no free lunch.
Or think of it this way, if this was some real tech breakthrough every OEM would be tripping over themselves to be paying Crawford for the patent. Why don't they? How is moving a sensor away from the thing it is supposed to sense better?
Or how about Crawford's own advertising, you can't even read it with a straight face:
Familiar with a cold air intake? Those increase the volume of the intake, subsequently pulling the sensor out of the air stream. The Eco-Block does the same exact thing, but does so by utilizing a spacer to pull the sensor out of the air stream. The benefits you receive with the Eco-Block vs. a cold air intake:
- A fraction of the price: $50 vs. hundreds.
- Maintains smaller intake volume, maintaining air velocity. The larger volume from an aftermarket cold air intake slows the air down, creating lag.
- Keeps the stock air box / intake in place, which keeps your car smog legal and warranty safe.
- Does not require a tune to maximize it's performance.

Originally Posted by why?

What are you a six year old? Seriously my little niece comes up with better attacks. You are so clueless and delusional you believe the bullshit you spoon feed yourself.

My argument is you are an imbecile, and you've proven it by ignoring what I actually write. Good job on that.

Your argument is that Subaru is the be all end all and makes everything so perfect even God couldn't improve on it. The fact you cannot admit the idiocy of that is incredible.

The fact that your words are drivel and you are so insecure about them you have to hide that by attacking like a child doesn't help your argument. It just proves you are a clueless fool.

Originally Posted by x808drifter

Straight implies that the OEM makes the car the best it can be.


Then why, according to your other post, wasn't on the car to begin with?

And like someone else said, why are there tunes that can add power and in some cases get you better MPG too.


How about we adjust that "dumb comparison" of the supercharger and go with something already on the car.

Why didn't Subaru/Toyota "with all of its R&D expertise" make a better header from the get go?


See where we're going with this?

Originally Posted by conehead

I did not say that at all, I'm not sure that you are capable of making an actual argument. Subaru could place the MAF anywhere they want, placing it out of the airstream to intentionally get bad readings was obviously not a good idea. Its ok though, Crawford needs customers like you. I guess we found the guy who gives those great testimonials. How does this compare to your Fuel Shark?

Originally Posted by why?

Nope, you said Subaru would have thought of that. Now you say they wouldn't have. Do you get the point yet?

Obviously not because now you use the second worst argument on the internet and attack me.

Manufacturers are not omniscient. They have 1001 actual things they have to worry about. They do not make perfect cars. If they did no one would ever mod them.

If you guys read what steve99 said (who I might add knows his stuff about tunes) you'd understand that the stock tune is rich for safety reasons. What this gimmick does is crudely change the targeted engine load and in turn change targeted fuel trims by changing the position of the MAF sensor in the air stream. Which I'm sure you guys already know.



You could easily do this in romraider safer than moving the MAF sensor. Also other values edited as well to ensure safety, and helping assuage the torque dip, get more HP, smoother engine running etc Subaru and Toyota could've easily done this in the tunes as we know, but as always left power on the table for the car to work in ALL jurisdictions and random fuel types, that's the trade-off as well as programming time and cost for them as a company.
@conehead I think you misunderstood that @why? was not defending this product, he was simply questioning your statement:

"Just ask yourself why Subaru, with all of its R&D expertise, did not design the car this way. Do you think they would sacrifice any tiny amount of performance or fuel economy be leaving out a little plastic donut?"

We know for a fact they sacrificed a lot of performance at the cost of fuel economy and emissions, and were a bit too liberal in economy than necessary in there tunes and engine design. Thats why things like a Stage 1 OFT tune or Delicious ecutek stage 1 tune aren't sacrificing mpg or emissions but are adding 10 whp and making the engine run smoother and such. Simply because tuners are spending more time on the ECU than the factory could've in most environments.



The gist and end all of this thread should be thus:

1) Crawford has been sketchy on a lot of forums and bad mouthing other vendors, especially on the WRX and nasioc spaces. I don't trust them with much now, also they've been know to pay car reviewers in cases like the "300 hp subaru brz" in which they constantly talked up crawford as a company.



2) This "device" simply tricks the maf sensor. You may get meager gains depending on your fuel quality, your car most likely won't be damaged as the ECU will automatically cut timing and such to counter a lean issue, to a point. But it is a very crude way of changing fueling and timing values.


3) Avoid products like this with claims like this. Save your money and buy a tune like OFT or from an ecutek vendor, it'll be safer, run better and make more power consistently.

Important note as well, this thread is from 2014 when crawford was constantly deploying products for this car and other vehicles. We know a lot more about this car than before.