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Old 12-18-2020, 09:32 AM   #39
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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 View Post
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We don’t even have enough here in California—just 42. The first station opened May 2014 and in six and a half years we have 42. We have around 2k Tesla Supercharger stations and over 16k stalls on top of tens of thousands of Tesla Destination chargers, and there are universal 3rd party fast chargers too. Tesla went from the first six to 2k in eight years. At the rate hydrogen stations are going up, it will take 300 years to match the number of Tesla Superchargers now. I know Toyota hasn’t sold many Mirais, but it seems like a large investment for something that isn’t well supported with infrastructure. Tesla alone has 10x the stations now of what they plan to make in hydrogen stations by 2025! I feel like unless hydrogen picks up steam quickly, which is unlikely, and unless battery development hits a bottleneck soon, which is unlikely, the argument for whether EVs or hydrogen cars will prevail in the near future is all but concluded. The production numbers now are so stark, as to already reach that conclusion, but this information about the state of the stations is just another nail in the coffin.
You actually don't need as many hydrogen stations as chargers for the same amount of cars. To fill an empty hydrogen car is what, 5 minutes? To fully charge a depleted battery on a supercharger is 90 minutes, up to 12 hours on 240, and if you only have a standard wall outlet up to 100 hours. You need 18x the amount of hydrogen stations in superchargers to service the same amount of vehicles.

42 hydrogen pumps (assuming 1 pump per station) is equivalent to 756 superchargers (assuming one plug per supercharger). How many pumps does the average hydrogen station in CA have?
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