[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Impey Barbicane

I disagree with your statement that ALL vehicles will oversteer under lift-throttle conditions. See the earlier vid with the Lotus Elan footage if you need an example.

And as for what a PROPERLY set up FWD car will do, I'll disagree with that as well, simply because A) properly for a track is a lot different from properly for the street and B) I don't think there's anything proper about *snap oversteer*. Progressive and predictable beats snap anything every time.

The Elan (that generation) is a horrible handling car. To use it as an example of "proper handling" is a joke. It shows it's tendency by turning in more. That is still a tendency towards oversteer, it's certainly not a tendency towards understeer at lift throttle which seemed to be what you wanted. (BTW I said they have a tendency to oversteer, I meant towards, but the point was clear enough for others to understand, sorry for the confusion it caused you)

By properly setup I meant a FWD car setup for neutral handling, IE, understeer tuned out of it. They will snap. My car snaps, I use that 'feature' all the time for autocross. Lots of people wreck tuned FWD cars for that reason (and even the properly setup ones from the factory). Fast FWD is scary actually, much scarier than RWD IMO since RWD is so easy to control once it steps out. And I don't see any difference between properly setup FWD cars for handling between the track and the street. I prefer neutral handling in both environments, I just don't drive like a retard on the street.