[Matador]

Originally Posted by Impey Barbicane

Now that first-drive reviews of the production version of the FR-S are coming in, I'm getting concerned about how they've calibrated the suspension. All the reviews state that it's tuned to be neutral, with a tendency to lift-throttle oversteer in a corner if the stability control is turned off.

Of course this is a fun setup if you know what you're doing, but for a generation raised on plowing front drivers (I.e. their target market), it's a recipe for lots of ugly crashes. Enter a corner too hot, start to slide, and the natural reaction for many will be to let off the gas. In almost every other car out there, that's the right move. In the FR-S, you will crash. Even Ken Gushi managed to spin it out during Automobile's test drive.

I think it's a safe bet that lots of wannabe DORIFTO KINGS!!! will turn off the stability control every time they start the car. Mark my words, this car will be crashed in MASSIVE numbers and the insurance will be sky-high. At least there will be an ample supply of undamaged headlights and front bumpers in the nation's junkyards.

I have my fingers crossed that the BRZ will attract a more mature crowd, be wrecked much less often, and have more reasonable insurance.

You've never experienced lift off oversteer have you?

Originally Posted by Mitch

So you're saying the correct thing for Toyota/Subaru to do would be to set up their suspension so that it handles like a FWD car because that's what people are used to, and if drivers who are not ready for a RWD car turn off the traction control they could spin out. I just want to make sure that's what you're saying.

I swear to God, I hope they don't neuter this thing like they did the MkII MR2

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

All vehicles will have a tendency to oversteer under lift throttle conditions near the limits and a PROPERLY setup FWD car will *snap oversteer* with throttle lift near the limit.

For those who can't drive, leave traction control on. Hell there's zero reason not to on the street.

Don't punish everyone because there are poor drivers in the world.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I was going to write hella long post... But I gonna sum it up by quote from Tada-san

"You control the car & not car control you."

If some moron take off traction control on the street to be next Drift King & ram into the wall, only thing I gonna do is point a finger at the person & laugh at em.

Originally Posted by Mari0

Why do people have to b*tch about everything... this is turning into a...

**sigh**