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Originally Posted by Liftcontrol
The main difference for a driving enthusiast, would be the slightly softer rear suspension and firmer front for the subie compared to the FRS which has firmer rear and softer front suspension settings from the factory.
This may mean the FRS may be slightly more easy to drift while the BRZ might be slightly better around the corners. But for the average driver, this difference will be entirely negligible.
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exactly, this is the only real known difference so far, aside from aesthetics. generally cars rear natural suspension frequencies are 80% that of the front, so the scion will be closer to equal spring rates between teh two. although ti also depends on antiroll bar stiffness, this will generally lead to a slight increase in oversteer tendency. i also wonder if the dampers will be any different. if the geometries/A-arms are the same id say its a wash though, as i bet most opt for aftermarket suspension pieces anyway, and adjustable aftermarket sway bars are almost inevitable. i really want to know if the rest fo the components will be the same. ive also heard the toyota will offer some sort of selection of transmission gear ratios, no idea if that will carry over to the subaru, much less the US at all.
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Originally Posted by Dragonitti
Performance
FR-S > BRZ (why? Because FR-S should be lighter)
Cost
FR-S > BRZ (obvious reasons, doesn't come loaded with everything off hand and therefore cheaper)
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what leads you to believe the FRS will be lighter? your cost comparison seems to make a lot of assumptions...
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Originally Posted by Dragonitti
Only half the motor is Subaru, but ALL of the design is Toyota.
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exterior aesthetics and direct injection are toyota. all teh real engineering is subaru, as evidenced by all the car magazine reporters who were invited to test drive and talk to the engineers.
obviously the sames are more plentiful than the differences of these base models. i believe this is where the two companies are splitting, however, the next generation of increased performance models (ie TRD/supercharged yota and STi/turbod suby) will what define the difference. also, subaru seems to have already engineered a GT300 car from it, this seems to suggest they know what they wanted in the chassis (as we do know they did the most development/engineering) and i suspect their performance model will better embrace those things than the toyota.
that being said, if the car control is really as refined as they say id probably still prefer natural aspiration... heres to hoping somebody releases a lightweight, bare bones model