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Originally Posted by Sport-Tech
^ Depends what you mean by comparable - they are never going to feel the same to the driver, as I stated in that post, but that does not mean the MK7 might not be as good or better as a driver's car, just in a different way - much as the Clio was found to be.
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So this was actually my point when I said it wouldn't be like a BRZ with 100 lbs/ft more torque. I can't tell if that's your BRZ in your picture, but if you're thinking of switching to a GTI and expecting it to basically be like your BRZ with more torque, you'll be sorely disappointed IMO. Two different classes of cars, one being a lightweight RWD sports car and the other being a heavier FWD hot hatch. Ford (and now VW) are clearly striving for their new hot hatches to handle more like lightweight RWD sports cars, but obviously they're fighting the laws of physics.
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Originally Posted by Sport-Tech
The Evo bias argument I find questionable - nobody here complains about rave reviews of the twins being biased. I don't really think Evo has an axe to grind - it's just their perspective has been shaped by driving boatloads of very high-performance cars, very hard, on an almost-daily basis. So it's partly that they are jaded, and partly that their collective driving skill level is so far above the average driver's that what excites them is a car that has a much higher threshold of challenge or difficulty than the twins do. It's more engaging for them to master a high-threshold car, whereas for the average driver it may be more of a PITA to deal with, or even a deathtrap.
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Don't you find it odd that Evo trashed the BRZ-auto in their initial review, basically saying they couldn't get the rear end to rotate and come out to play, when in reality, the rear rotates just fine? Every other reviewer has basically stated and demonstrated that, including Harris who btw loves the twins (and I believe is former Evo). Evo later tried to backtrack with a more positive review of a GT86 manual, saying that the manual tranny and the GT86 suspension tuning made an enormous difference, but you can tell they're worried about preserving the credibility of that initial BRZ bashing they did.
BTW, I don't think there's much credibility to the argument that the staff of Evo are simply better drivers than everyone else. I can guarantee you Randy Pobst (former 4x SCCA World Challenge GT champ) and Jonathan Palmer (F1/LeMans/BTCC driver) have more experience with fast cars than the entire Evo staff combined, and both loved the twins. So the better drivers thing doesn't really explain the Evo bias either.
Pobst
http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...s/viewall.html
Palmer
http://i.imgur.com/X00RR.jpg