[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Driftster

The boxer engine is a nice touch, but it is in NO way a requirement at all..

As far as I can tell the only reason this car chose the box engine was because Subaru was due for a new engine and no better way to showcase/advertize the new engine than in a new vehicle..

Toyota has produced plenty of engines for the next few years, for them to retool an assembly line just to produce an engine that wouldn't see the engine bay of maybe 1 or 2 cars would be financially silly. Meanwhile subaru, which has been behind in the technology world by 10 years for the past...12-15 years needed a revamp and since they share engines over a wide variety of vehicles it makes alot more sense economically for subaru to be the company to produce the plant for this car...

This cars focus is CLEARLY "driving dynamic" not weight, not handling, because a car doesn't have to be light or carve corners in order to be responsive to the driver. The car has had a few targets to aim for on it's way to production, but since the onslaught of press releases started the focus of this car has steered away from nearly everything they promised prior to solely how it "Feels"

Putting a Boxer 4, or an inline 4 under the bonnet when all is said and done has such a inadmissible level of relevance to that goal it makes no sense to credit the engine on that achievement.


As for Genesis..I think it's a genius car.. Whether you like the front end or not is is by leaps and bounds a more all inclusive vehicle than the GT86.. The GT86 targets a niche market, that of the mx5 (hopefully price wise it does as well)

With it's limited/useless space, it's driving dynamic it's power being low along with its weight, but also it's factory options/standard features being so minimal to the point of including prius tires and advertising them as "prius tires".. It is DIRECTED at a very very small market, will it sell outside of that market? Of course..without question, the PR campaign going into this car rivals most gubernatorial candidates, it's going to sell to every telemarketing 23 year old to 50 year old men who still think they've "got it" simply because it's the latest thing on the shelves most people will be able to identify...

This is good for us because this also means there will be alot of dealer trade backs in the next couple of years resulting in 15-17k warranted price tags...

The Genesis though, has a useful back seat, a useful trunk.. It has the comfort and ride quality to be used by everyone, yet if you want more feedback sharper ride..It's a cheap car so you can spend $ on it to make it feel how you want...

So to summarize...The Genesis makes the better canvas overall, but the GT86 makes the better off the lot "i want to feel like i've got a fast car even if i don't" car.

but that, again, is only comparing the release spec GT86..no telling what the future holds

I have to agree with you about the canvas part. The GC does seem like it's more of a tuners car simply because of the high compression engine in the FRS/BRZ most likely being a bad thing against F/I lovers(Not me). But this car was never meant for F/I so I don't think a lot of owners would care about F/I. The GC on the other hand comes with a 2.0l turbo engine and Brembo brakes being offered at 24-25k so it definitely would benefit more from the tuners/aftermarket than the FRS.