[Huehuecoyotl]

I am glad you are enjoying the drift scene, that is awesome

Youre just feeding my point: should the car you purpose build for low grip be a daily driver? can you really control a low grip car in an emergency manuever, and will this be a detriment or an asset to your defense should you be involved, heaven forbid, in a tragic accident, and a lawsuit?

that is what I mean by safety. There is nothing wrong with drift builds, that is what this car is for! I commend you for getting it on!

I think your well thought out pics demonstrating its low grip at the track are great. This very facet of your build also helps most PI lawyers when it and if it comes to that on public streets(have family in law) nothing like a car thats been modded that crashed into another one. bigger the wing the better when its jury time. Insurance Adjusters field day.

Lets stop for a moment & demonstrate unsafe vs safe tho before we even venture down the laptimes road okay?

1-Lets take your -5 camber daily drive drift car and do some 60mph to zero brake distance tests. Not only will a properly setup car out handle 'your setup' in corners and G force holding, um thats why youre DRIFTING , it will out do 'your setup' in power application and delivery on 0-60 acceleration, and if thats not enough, then lets test 60-0 brake distance, where the liability really counts, and I will show that factory camber with the same wheels and tires on YOUR car will perform better numbers than your -5 settings

2-lets record that data,post it online in this thread, shall we? all test by a 3rd party for measurement, we'll install a nifty doo-dad that will measure your in car Gs too.

3-lets take a factory car & alignment on your very same car and perform same stopping tests, not extra stiff in the rear for drift, I bet your setup looses, on your own car, in each and every category. You cant argue with faster, holds more Gs brakes better or can you? Its cool that your having fun, power to you, for real there.

4-after a major accident lets see how liability plays out in your drift car on a road incident setup out of factory spec, vs same accident your car not on 215s, stretched(lawyers field day)

fwiw, as I am adding power to my car, I am having to dial back camber(-2 is too much for laying down the power I have on exit) on my rear end, but I am not trying to build a drift car. I'm also not advocating anyone run a setup that makes their car less safe on public roads, and be proud of it. I do it too, when I drive to the track with pads that arent warmed up, etc, so I dont want to pretend I'm any better than you-we car guys do all the same idiotic stuff, generally.

Its great that you enjoy drifting and I totally dig your pictures, time at the track and your build. We can argue that high grip is safer than lo grip and you can tell me otherwise,

I have no problem with you drifting, just supports safety/grip/adhesion points further tho! hella camber is hella less grip, stopping, going, carving. period. Enjoying lo grip is fine, lets not call that a safe setup if it proves worse result in all test categories...

I've never related to making a machine grip worse, stop worse and accelerate worse, but wholly relate to you enjoying your car at the track any way you choose. That is our common denominator, and its all we need to be here in this forum.
13 years from now when you have alot more assets to loose, this nonsensical safe BS stuff will matter more, I promise

CAPS ON WHY? IT WOULD BE JUST AS IRRESPONSIBLE FOR ME TO USE MY SLICKS ON PUBLIC ROADS(and why I have two sets of wheels, they too are a low grip tire till they reach the right heat range. As a tidbit of fact here,any of you who are 27 or younger this year needs to know I was 'drifting' when I was 13myself, on dirt tracks, at that time, you were in diapers)

rest of you enjoy scrapin, stancin, and the like..
Keep it safe on the public roads...peace.