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Originally Posted by switchlanez
It's kind of moot to argue the roll center because nobody knows where it is. What ultimately matters is how the car feels when you drive the damn thing. Doesn't matter how the engineers got there (boxer or not, wishbones or not, marketing hype on a pedestal or not); this car's handling handling feel excels over any car in the vicinity of (even above) its segment.
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i only responded because you brought it up. i think i could say that double wishbone would have a lower roll center than macphersons with more confidence than i could say that fwd outhandles rwd and that kind of talk runs rampant on on this forum. its feel does impress but you cant really make that claim considering it just lost a feel comparison to the miata. its, at best, up for debate.
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Originally Posted by sf5
There's also a reason why the FR-S doesn't have a turbo -- cost. I'm pretty sure FR-S owners wouldn't turn down a turbo if offered. I can't wait until the new, improved Subies are out. Talk about an "enthusiast" car, and it's basically the same engine!
I copped an '08 335i sedan with 16k for $30,000. It's not overvalued, and if I could still afford the payments, I'd take that any day over a new FR-S. $250 used JB and I've got 400 horses and torque. Lot more plastic in the FR-S. Steptronic is no joke and will put most manuals to shame.
Speed is just one aspect, like you say; however, speed is addicting, and it never hurts to be fast. Obviously, handling is just as important. The weight and RWD of the FR-S is superior to the Si, but if you're going to lease an FR-S -- not recommended -- it's a ripoff. You could get an ATS or Infiniti for almost the same price, and that's where the Si shines as the better buy.
On a side note, there's an infamous video online where the Civic beats the FR-S in a head-to-head. Yes, the FR-S was rocking stock tires, and the Civic was the HFP version. I think they should have used a stock Si, not the HFP, with the tires it comes with -- MXM4 Michelin Pilots. It would have been a more accurate and fair comparison that way. I wish mine came with upgraded tires.
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the 335 is almost twice the price of a mustang and with a third of the power. doesnt sound like much of a bargain to me. that 45k price tag is also why there is more plastic in the frs (how plastic affects the sportiness of a car is beyond me).
leasing and buying are two very different things, you should understand that. leasing any car is almost certainly a ripoff.
in the civic comparo video, they compare cars that were bought with the same amount of money. as far as stock for stock, dollar for dollar comparisons go, that was the closest they could come.