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Originally Posted by naikaidriver
So you're saying that a tune can negate the benefit of an intake such as the AEM, Injen, Weapon R, HKS then by your logic, it should fix the hp loss for the people that bought the Air Rad.
Seems to me that you and 2forme have uncovered a complete conspiracy in the automotive community! Intakes are a total scam and anyone that puts one out is just trying to get people to hand over their cash by putting out a product that makes cool noises.
We should start getting the word out immediately. I'll start by emailing all of the aftermarket retailers and tell them to pull every intake from their product list and tell them if they have any questions, see Foobar and 2forme at ft86club.com and they will explain everything.
Scott
(for those of you watching this thread, this is the part where either Foobar or 2forme will come out, say "that's not what I meant" and "this <insert brand of intake> is better than <insert brand of intake>" or "<insert brand of intake> are a total rip off.")
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2forme and I don't necessarily agree on the whole intake situation. That said, let me clarify what I said above:
The BRZ/FRS stock intake system is well-engineered. There are few gains to be had by doing anything aftermarket with them. The intakes that noticed the most power gains achieved them not by opening up airflow (the typical exercise undertaken when you add a performance intake) but by manipulating AFR. This function can also be done by an ECU tune.
I'm not here to fanboy one intake over another - Personally, I think stock is the way to go with a drop-in if performance/efficiency is the only thing you're after.
Full diclosure: I own the AirRaid as well as the AFe. I swapped out the AirRaid because I didn't like the aesthetics and the whole loose screws coming undone situation thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I went with the AFe because it looks good, sounds great, and I got a fantastic deal on it at a time when someone was going to buy my AirRaid essentially washing my cost out. Unfortunately, shortly before he was to buy the intake, someone dyno'd the AirRaid on here and determined that it was actually losing power instead of gaining power. He pulled out of the deal and now I still have it.
Oh and to answer your question directly - no, I do not think a tune will negate all of the gains. Let me put it this way - if a stock car with an Injen gets +13 HP, and a stock car with an ECU tune gets +15 HP, a stock car with an Injen + ECU Tune won't see +28 HP, because they ultimately are both doing something with AFR that affects power output. I did not mean to imply that a stock car with Injen and ECU Tune ends up with +0 HP, but it would most likely be somewhere closer to +15 than +28.