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Old 01-30-2013, 05:39 AM   #40
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I'm not here to pick a fight, but I'm certainly here to answer for and defend our work. So to that end, I'll only say this much ~

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Originally Posted by fenton View Post
Care to show the log for that dunno? Because what is depicted in post 1 is a classic sign of knock correction between 6750 and 7000? I have seen this so many times on dynos from my sti days. The worst thing about that knock is it is right up at peak power.

If it is indeed not knock care to explain what it is?
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Originally Posted by Pizzamangtr View Post
I would love to see the log also of that pull in particular. I'd say the Visconti tune did work seeing as it was for a stock car and the other tune was custom for the car how it is now modded right?
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Originally Posted by Pizzamangtr View Post
I understand that and is def a good thing to do. I would really be concerned about that dip in power though. I'm very well experianced with high hp cars(900+awhp evo, hpf m3 800+hp, 800+hp tt 350z, 700hp s4, ect) and that def looks like car pulled timing do to knock hense going rich.

We're no stranger to high HP cars either. It's not like started tuning 6 months ago yeah? I could pull up the logs tomorrow during my lunch break. I could show you all the AM, the AFRs and the knock sensor in the RPM range in question. Your theory is sound except that when using a custom rom, the commanded AFRs are just that and if you notice, my AFRs are consistently richer since my calibration was tuned for a stock intake. I could let some of you guys go on about said "classic knock" but I figured I'd highlight this before anyone else tries to incite an riot and embarrass themselves further:

The tune we used is an NA calibration meant for a stock intake, stock everything else. It wasn't a 'custom tune' for the car. The Visconti tune was more custom in that it was optimized for the AirRAID intake accordingly.

Now if you've been following all the intake testing and the OP's previous posts about FA20 & Visconti V1 tunes, you'd see that the AirRAID has always resulted a rich top end and that 'knock'. Case in point :

Ref : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17379

From this reference, look at the dyno chart that the OP posted when concerning the AirRAID intake...

Now NOTE the GREEN dyno plot marked "Visconti Flash AR Intake"
@ 6700RPM




What's that I see @ 6700RPM?! And his response to the above posted results?

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Originally Posted by Visconti View Post
Looks good

Very happy with the results especially if its only a flash and a single pull!

My flashes are setup not to run full advance until a few drive cycles!

Thanks

John
So wait, it's 'knock' on my calibration but not on his? Surely he must have known about this...? Hmmm. Interesting.

We noticed it right off. Yet I said nothing condescending (publicly or otherwise) of any sort on the forum and even told the OP that this was due to the inherent nature of the specific intake's design. I think the OP would even agree that I defended Visconti's work then (looking back, a mistake now.)

Still think it's 'knock'? For my next exhibit...on a 100% stock FRS using said intake :

Ref : http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19413

Case in point, stock OEM ECU, AirRaid Intake :



Oh look, right at the 6700RPM range too. Must have been my imagination... or is that a "classic knock" as well?

Really now. Do you all still want me to show you the logs? Or were you all just seeing a common anomaly with the said intake that was exploited and weaponized against me?

So I have to ask ~ do the people on this forum only need Visconti's nod of approval for any and all other tuners?! Is he the only tuner in the FRS / BRZ community? Is his work beyond scrutiny but everyone else's isn't?

Really?

All things considered, I'm sure Visconti isn't not interested in anything I have to say at this point but you guys reading this can make your own decisions on this.

My 2 cents!


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