[ryridesmotox]

LOL at the Torque argument. Are you guys saying that you can define a hp number by the top end pull of a car? LOL... Obviously you guys are used to little 4 bangers that rev to the moon. The car in my sig is my second 4 banger, I am usually a V-8 guy, but with fuel costs and the economy... you get the idea. My car makes about 400lbs/tq and 350hp at the wheels depending on the dyno its running. You can tell a given amount of hp or tq based on car weight, gear ratio and a given accelration time from xmph to xxmph. Obviously each car is different.

Let me put it like this....
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall
Torque is how far you move the wall
Oversteer is your ass hitting the wall first
Understeer is your face hitting the wall

And the sudden stop you feel after the wall is God smacking you in the face for being an idiot and putting your car into a wall.

I'll take my 3k rpm of torque over 350lbs/ft at the wheels over a redline banger like a S2k any day of the week.