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Old 01-18-2013, 11:11 AM   #309
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Originally Posted by Dimman View Post
Because I feel they 'believe' in the OHV setup, but not the springs.
??? I honestly don't know what to make of this statement. Large-displacement OHV V8 is a valid approach to engine performance. Leaf springs are a valid method to get force/distance restoring force in the suspension.

Both are valid engineering approaches. And you're talking about what you "feel"? About what the engineers might (or might not) "believe in"? Funny!

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Ducati didn't just shrug at engine development because they had a displacement advantage. They believed that the desmo was best.
Worth noting that desmo was legacy for them. For sure they had a very good appreciation of the advantages *and the disadvantages* of desmodromic valve actuation. They had experience with desmo, they exploited that. The didn't/don't have as much experience with non-desmo, so they probably would take some time to get up to speed if they abandoned desmodromics.

It's a practical choice between two valid approaches. No one can say one is "better" as both have been proven effective.

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For what it's worth the 750cc L4s still raped them on the straights, and the V2's advantages were it's low-end response, packaging, low CoG, and balance that allowed them to put power down out of the corners.
The FIM giving them a weight break as well certainly helped them a LOT in braking/cornering!

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(Sounds rather familiar, including the displacement advantage, heh...) They needed power up top, and felt desmo would be their best option. Not to be different.
Similarly, leafs were the best option for the production Corvette.

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Then Honda brought out the RC51.
No desmo, playing to the same rules as Ducati, and beat them. Which, again, doesn't really say non-desmo is "superior".

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So saying that Ducati didn't have to put a world class attempt-to-be-the-best effort in because of displacement advantage is a bit rude to their engineers, and by logical association, to GM as well.
Where in the hell did I say THAT?! Of course their effort WAS world class. They came from nowhere to beat the 4-cylinders. They *were* given huge displacement and weight advantages, that's a simple fact. I certainly don't hold it against them that they capitalized on them.

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... So there will probably soon be a point where a DOHC will be smaller and lighter, with a smaller displacement that still outperforms the OHV in every category.
Still thinking in terms of absolutes, that there MUST be exactly ONE "best" way...
DOHC has inherent advantages and disadvantages. Ditto OHV. AT the moment, I don't see a clear advantage one way or the other. Other than that GM's OHV V8s are a much easier fit into smaller/lighterweight cars

*IF* regulations or taxes were applied based on displacement, DOHC multivalve wins. IF they continue to be based on fuel economy, however...
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