[gmookher]

I do not go pissing away this way in the 'other threads', atleast I try to not be that guy on the AVo thread or the innovate thread. But I think the counter points, probing and challenging is good and healthy for our community, makes the results stronger. even if results show folks are lined up for something that has yet to hit the ground, thats telling, that they want more power and are willing to take on a system without metal tubing, without a FMIC or whatever. says alot about the buyers of this cheap sports car and their build experience set too.

Some of these ultra retarded posts I see here will get you banned, societally from many a m3 board!

As we see,vendors will need to decide if they want to take the business or turn it away in the name of a more expensive ideally better made american made kit is why they think they can command more for their product over the other guy. So far the majority of folks want a product from a little known vendor who has little to no forum involvement, cool.

There will be alot of guys who buy a kit they think they can afford, realize its not all it was cracked up to be, and then sell it on ebay before stepping up to a solution that works.
What mileage warranty does AVO give, oh none,
and innovate? oh they have none either. huh. what maybe 12 month 12,000 miles? at best? if youre lucky? remember we put on 800 miles a week.
yeah.
Vortech.
not too many other choices for someone who demands true reliability

Really tho, to want a kit thats not yet real, has no real numbers, and has not even come close to Beta test let alone track test,is holding your breath

Last word for me is what systems survive triple digit temps, which ones dont detonate out, which ones dont overheat?
peak power is not what will win my dollars

reliability, unlimited mile warranty, these win my faith, but by all means go strap a garret to yours, buddy!

as a stick driver, i know better than to ask for peak TQ from a horizontally opposed four
all the V8 drivers just need to learn to downshift

this says alot about the driving style of the group too
this aint rennlist.org

"I want to put my foot down and go in sixth gear"

..fucking noobs...learn to downshift and drive a racecar, not just park sideways at the grocery store..

you want inline 6 turbo power from this poor four banger, and there are vendors trying to bring you that early on TQ, but it will cost you the win on the track.
many folks will end up wit builds that do not pass the Phoenix litmus test
lots of folks will be happy with cheaper inferior product
Inno0vate has more drag, is putting out a hotter charge, heck stage one doesnt even have an IC on a FI system,? line right up folks!

WTF? if people are okay with that, good for them. LOL
its pretty funny to watch, like a freight train wreck
you just cant look away

No car manufaturer sells cars suggesting these cars are fine for use unless youre traveling thru Phoenix, so I am with 2forme, the last word is who who gets their ass towed off the track, and who finishes first with the shorter lap time.

Looking forward to tracking with the Innvate and AVO builds, say when and where