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Originally Posted by CyberFormula
I have done research on:
Stoptech
Brembo
Ap Racing (stillen)
Alcon (stasis engineering)
Wilwood
Project Mu
googling "Stoptech vs." , resulted in many votes for Stoptech as the most voted favorite for the club racer who requires cheap parts and easy replacement of brake pads. Even their street performance brake pad is considered superior because of the high heat performance ( i think it was 1300deg), compared to 750deg or less for most common street performance brake pads. However they do have a "RACE BRAKE PAD" now which costs about $290. Their street performance brake pads is very cheap $$$ for the incredible performance given.
Now reading on the Essex Ap racing, I'll have to agree that this appears to be a superior product. Rotors, and racing brake pads are cheaper in comparison to the Stoptechs. I personally would give the Sprint Ap Racing a try.
if not, a stock set up with Stoptech street performance brake pads, brake lines, Centric High carbon rotors, and Motul RBF 600 will do good as well.
Here is the $1600 for the 328mm stoptech setup.
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but, if you're trackin, and replacing rotors/pads often, the AP racing kit will pay for itself over time.
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Thanks for the kind words CyberFormula, and I have a few comments to further illustrate some of the points you make. In particular, your point about the "
club racer who requires cheap parts and easy replacement of brake pads." We are definitely beating StopTech at that game with our Sprint System. The reason you don't see more responses around the web about our equipment is that we have only been selling these systems on a very limited number of platforms for about 2 years. If you go look on the corvette forum, evo forum, etc. you'll see some overwhelmingly positive feedback though.
If you're going to be tracking your car, spare parts for our Sprint System are MUCH less expensive than for the StopTech setup. Let's walk through an example:
Let's say you plan on tracking the car for 3 seasons (many enthusiasts tire of a car after that period of time and move along to something new and different). We'll use a fairly conservative volume of replacement parts. Below are the pad and disc costs for our Sprint System vs. the StopTech ST40/328mm kit using some typical race pad pricing:
StopTech
5 sets of Ferodo DS1.11 for StopTech ST-40 @ $442 per set= $2,210
2 sets of StopTech 328x28 discs ($230 per disc)=$920
Total running costs for three seasons=$3,130
Essex Sprint
5 sets of Ferodo DS1.11 for AP Racing CP8350 @ $184.31= $921.55
2 sets of AP Racing 299x32mm J Hooks for our kit ($165 per disc)= $660
Total running costs for three seasons= $1581.55
Running cost difference over three seasons= $1548.45...the running costs for the StopTech setup are almost double the cost for our Sprint System. That also doesn't take into account actual wear rates. I'm confident that you'll go through spares less often with our system because of its design...thicker pads to insulate the calipers (20mm thick per side vs. 17mm), SS pistons to keep heat out of the fluid, more durable 70 vane AP Racing disc, etc. You'll also not have to worry about pad knockback. So if you go through only 4 sets of pads and 1 extra set of discs with our system, that will have a large impact on running costs as well. Those differences could pay for several sets of tires, or registration for 5 events @ $300 per event.
Again, the above estimate is what I'd consider an average number of spares if you track your car regularly during the warm months. If you go to the track more often and burn up more parts, the cost difference will be even greater. Also note, that some of the price differences on other race pad compounds aren't quite as bad, but I just used the DS1.11 since that is one of the more popular ones we recommend and sell.
Again, this is just spares. That doesn't take into account any of the other benefits of our Sprint System:
- Our Sprint system weighs at least 5 lbs. less per corner vs. StopTech (improving acceleration, cornering, braking). That's 10 lbs. less unsprung weight off the nose of the car
- The AP calipers have SS pistons to keep out heat, meaning less fluid boiling and flushing/bleeding (frequent bleeding also gets expensive and wastes a lot of time at the track)
- anti-knockback springs to keep a firm pedal
- AP Racing 70 vane heavy duty discs with crack resistant metallurgy (this is the same basic design and metallurgy that has won the 24 hours of Le Mans)
- offers the same convenient pad changing ability
- The calipers won't turn a burnt maroon color after a good thrashing
- The AP calipers have just as many or more pad options
- Essex full caliper rebuilding service- If you ever need your calipers serviced, we can do it for small fee...you don't get messy
Finally, I can't imagine resale prices being any better than what you can get with AP Racing. AP is the premium name in brakes and hold value. You'll get a nice chunk of change back when you part and sell your car.
ps...nice stable of cars CyberFormula...some real classics in the garage.
