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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86
I see where ScionFRS is coming from and I kind of agree with him only because over the years sports cars started to perform better than there predecessors. The only sports vehicles that have shown little improvements generally comes from Japan. Dave your 97 type R is quicker in stock form than a 2011 civic Si. That's 14 years for fucks sake!!! Compare the handling and performance of lets say a Mustang GT from 97 to now. It's a huge difference. My only gripe that I have is that I wish the FT came with .5 more liters since it seems like 2 liters is played out. It was good in the 90's but this is 2011. Progress!!!
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actually because its 2011 most car makers are going smaller for engine displacement I mean GM just announced they were gonna build 1.0 and 1.3 4 pots and ford is working on a new light weight 2.5 v6
if anthing going bigger in displacement would be moving into the past when we had crazy big motors like 7.3 and what not. the future of cars is smaller lighter and fuel efficent.
also your comparision is kinda void as you compared a type r to a si than a mustang to a mustang. Lets compare a 97 mustang to daves ITR and you will see the mustands 4.6 V8 was rated for 215hp (upped to 225 in 98 then 260 in 99) while the ITR was rated for 200 and was much much faster on track stock than the mustang. I will not discredit the improvement of the mustang but when you go from a crappy design that hasnt been changed for a number of years to a brand new engine than yes its a massive improvement.
Lets do a more fair comparsion how about 90s si vs now si there is no 97 si so I will used a 95 as well as a 98 the 95 si was rated for 137 and the 98 si was rated for 160 and now the si is 201 and please note that you compared a sportscar to a commuter car as well. I did a quick search and found the best time I could for a mustang around the ring and while it is only the 05 4.6 v8 it had a bunch of mods and the best time I found was 8:49 which is slower than a factory type r and that just shows you driver and handeling do more for you than power
also if I wanted to use a terrible agurment about comparing cars of the same I could of always said well if you look at the GTRs back then to the GTR now thats a massive improvement from the 90s or brought up the fact that the z went from 300hp with the 300zx to 331hp with the 370 and thats a 21 year jump with a modest hp increase
also i could of same to be most fair we should compare the original fb motor to the ft86 fb motor which the original is rated for 145 and the ft86 is rated for 200HP thats a massive improvement on a engine that has been out since 2010
either way tho the saying remains true
fast cheap reliable <-- you can only choose 2