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Originally Posted by old greg
Madfast,
Did you actually read the second half of my post? I'm not in any way suggesting that Subaru did all the work. As I said in my last post, that paper pusher at Subaru is an asshat. Tada-san himself, the guy who actually oversaw the engineers from Toyota and Subaru who designed this car, the guy that half the people on this site regard as the next best thing to Jesus, was quoted (in the snippet that you posted in this very thread) as saying that it was one team that designed this car. Not a team from Toyota and a team from Subaru, but one team of people from both companies.
As for the transmission, firstly, Aisin =\= Toyota. Toyota owns 30% of Aisin. Aisin is its own company with its own engineers, its own factories and its own bean counters. The Aisin transmission in the Honda S2000 is no more a Toyota product than the Denso ECU in my WRX.
Honda had never used an Aisin transmission before putting the AZ6 in the S2000. Mazda had never used an Aisin transmission before putting the AZ6 in the RX8. The fact that no Subaru has had an Aisin transmission before the BRZ does actually suggest Toyota involvement, I agree, but it doesn't prove anything. That's my only beef with your argument. I'm not questioning your conclusion, only the logic you used to reach it.
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yes, i agreed with what you said and so i didnt quote that part. i merely pointed out that subaru was not on the list of companies that use aisin transmissions. their omission is interesting to me. and i pose the question to those that believe subaru developed this car 100% (i never said you personally did), why would subaru use so much toyota tech if they developed this car all by themselves?
in terms of this discussion, aisin = toyota. as i have said, toyota uses aisin, and subaru uses jatco. so we have this car, built in a subaru factory, using an aisin transmission. and somehow that's not interesting to those who believe subaru developed this car 100%???
honda and mazda simply bought the transmissions. that is a cut and dry case. in this discussion, we're talking about a joint venture and the rumor that subaru fully developed the drivetrain. the fact is that a subaru with an aisin transmission IS out of the ordinary and DOES point to toyota involvement on some level. again, im not concluding anything. im simply presenting the facts for you to decide yourself...