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But lets not forget. What have become of the 3-series now?
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German Buicks.
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It have gotten big and fatter. But look at the modern day rivals.
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In the words of Cool Hand Luke "that don't make it *right*."
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Its all the same for them. BMW are not to be blamed for making their best selling car fit the modern day safety regulations and still be "bigger and better".
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I'm blaming them.
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You will not be able to buy a new sedan with the size and design of the E30 due to saftey regulations. A VW Golf MK1 GTI (rabbit) have gotten large and fat as well. All cars have. Dont blame BMW for following the evolution.
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Take the 86 twins. Replace the swoopy/fastback "coupe" styling with upright "sedan" styling, and you have a proper modern 2002/E30, at less than 2800 lb.
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Which cars today are really comparable to 2002tii and E30 M3?
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There are none. And BMW isn't even remotely trying to give us one, while they have an extensive lineup of oversized/overwrought/overweight models.
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Those cars had 4 usable seats. Atleast way better than the 2+2 in GT86.
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Seats in the back of the 2002 and E30 aren't tremendously capacious, but there is headroom.
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Sadly to say, but if BMW were just as focused on E30s as we enthusiasts were, they would probably not do that well.
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Most people assume that, but I don't think that's necessarily the case. In particular, I think they would have sold MORE 1- and 3-series if they'd made the 1-series a lot smaller/simpler/cheaper/lighter-weight. Instead, it's a barely smaller/lighter version of the Buick-size/weight 3-series.
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2-series M-coupe will probably be the closest thing to a modern day E30. Especially if it gets 4-cylinders and focus more on weight.
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We'll see, but I have next to no hope for BMW building true minimalist enthusiast machines going forward. The company that built the 2002 and E30, and also reasonable size/weight midsized E28 as well, is apparently gone forever
