To Fantoni:
That is pure bull. You said they had no perfromance car experience and I said they did and had won the WRC titles three times. I did not say that it was more or less than Toyota, simply stated a fact that you took the wrong way. Now you say that Subaru never made a sports car. Again you are wrong. They made a great sports touring car from 92-97 called the SVX. I have personally seen it post better autocross times than WRX's, BMW M3's, BMW M coupes, AMG Mercedes SLK's and many others. It was listed in every major auto magazine in the late 90's as one of the best used sport car purchases that could be made. Even the two door RS2.5 (non-turbo) could not be touched on an autocross track by any stock Toyota.
Track days and autocrossing is what any decent real sports car should be good at these days. All I can do is ask again, as you continue to ignore the questions: What Toyota cars are listed in the SCCA records in the last two decades of winning Solo or Autocross titles? You get slim pickings. I a company cannot make a car that all these Toyota fans could turn into a great weekend racer, then are they really good sports cars?
Yes, I believe that Toyota has not yet shown they are capable making a decent weekend racer with an engineering culture than can make a care pure to it's intent. The Supra did not handle good enough (too heavy), and the last Celica was a joke at sports car events. The MR2 was a neat little car and I liked it, but it still could not beat it's competition much in any racing events.
And yes, Subaru needed Toyota to produce this car in sustainable numbers and to maximize their engine output. Thank you Toyota, especially for the excellent body design work. But the design of the basic car platform layout is Subaru's and was only possible with a 4 cylinder boxer engine, which Toyota does not make. If my underwhelming support of Toyota's ability to make such a car on their own pissed you off, then I am sorry. But you want to give Toyota the lion's share of credit and claim that Subaru was dragged into making a car by a company that owns a relatively small percent of the mother company, Fuji Heavy Industries. (The same stock that GM owned for years) I find that a bit over the top. But again, you have the right to your opinion and I have not questioned that.
Now please quit making misleading statements about what I said and especially what my original intention was and I will be glad to let this whole subject go to the dust bin.